difference between a glaze and a pure polish?

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I know that a glaze has no abrasive action and only acts to fill in swirls and temporarily hide them, but also, a "pure polish" is defined as a polish with no abrasive properties as well. It has oils that enhance gloss and shine, so I'm wondering if a pure polish enhances gloss and shine with fillers, and is actually the same thing as a glaze.

Also, do most polishes (pure polishes as well as polishes with slight abrasive properties) like 205 and Menzerna Power Finish have some fillers in them, or no?

Btw, I don't think fillers are necessarily a bad thing. I want to compound out as many defects as possible, polish to a high shine, use fillers to hide whatever defects I was unable to correct, then seal everything up with a sealant.
 
Love this question, would be interested in the responses also.

davidc11291 said:
I know that a glaze has no abrasive action and only acts to fill in swirls and temporarily hide them, but also, a "pure polish" is defined as a polish with no abrasive properties as well. It has oils that enhance gloss and shine, so I'm wondering if a pure polish enhances gloss and shine with fillers, and is actually the same thing as a glaze.

Also, do most polishes (pure polishes as well as polishes with slight abrasive properties) like 205 and Menzerna Power Finish have some fillers in them, or no?

Btw, I don't think fillers are necessarily a bad thing. I want to compound out as many defects as possible, polish to a high shine, use fillers to hide whatever defects I was unable to correct, then seal everything up with a sealant.
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Also, I agree with this train of thought also. What works for you (if glazes & pure polishes give you what you like) is what you should continue doing (but don't be afraid to try new options).
 
anything that fills swirls (be it a glaze, which cannot be locked in for any length of time even if topped with a sealant, or the oils left over from polishing with a pure polish i.e. megs#7, or a polish with abrasives, i.e. M205) will only do so temporarily.

This is why we strive for a swirl/mar free finish. It is the only thing that will give you the ultimate gloss and shine, wash after wash...
 
davidc11291 said:
Also, do most polishes (pure polishes as well as polishes with slight abrasive properties) like 205 and Menzerna Power Finish have some fillers in them, or no?
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Keep in mind polishing oils lubricate the surface as the paint is being abraded, this creates beauty because if you take away the lubrication you get scouring, this is the opposite of creating beauty.

So the polishing oils are a good thing right?


Water could be used as the lubricant but it doesn't work as well as some type of of oil, kind of like your car's engine likes oils for a lubricant as it keeps rotating parts rotating. You could try water instead but you probably wouldn't like it's lubricating characteristics in your engine.

At the same time the oils can fill in and mask defects, most people position this as a bad or negative aspect but they usually forget to include the lubrication benefits in their posts.


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
From my article list
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Actually, that article is what got me thinking about this question, because it lists glazes and pure polishes in the same category.

I also agree that oils are not necessarily a bad thing. In my case, I'm fixing up junk cars and reselling them. I'm a newbie in the detailing world, so I don't yet have the expertise to achieve 100% defect free results. I can get 95% defect free, but not 100%. Plus, 100% isn't what I'm looking for, anyway. When you're talking about 2k-4k dollar cars, I want to make them look reasonably good (by our standards- detailer standards) in the shortest amount of time possible. It makes most sense for me to remove as many defects as I can with my Griot's and 105, then use a polish with fillers to cover up the 5% of defects that are left.
 
The reason I put a glaze on my Corvette ( DWG ) on the bare paint before waxing is to keep the paint healthy with the oils and to enhance gloss.

However I believe it affects durability in wet weather so I dont do this on my DD. My belief stems from the fact that I put down a glaze underneath FK1000p just on the hood of my DD and after a couple weeks the beading looked significantly worse than the rest of the car.

I believe the top coat does not seal in the glaze, but rather sits on top, so whatever you put on top has the gloss and durability of the glaze and the UV protection and depth of the top coat. I have no problem with that for the Corvette because its never driven in the rain.
 
davidc11291 said:
Actually, that article is what got me thinking about this question, because it lists glazes and pure polishes in the same category.
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Correct. That's because historically glazes were non-abrasive beauty creams for fresh paint as explained in the article.

Now days, companies use the term glaze on just about anything including waxes and paint sealants so what I do and what I recommend others to do is,

Judge a product by the function it performs not the name on the label. If the product protects the paint then it's a wax or a paint sealant, not a glaze in the true sense of the word.



davidc11291 said:
I want to make them look reasonably good (by our standards- detailer standards) in the shortest amount of time possible.
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Machine apply a one-step cleaner/wax.

It will dramatically improve the overall appearance of the paint and thus the vehicle. Then just get the windows clear, the tires black and vacuum the inside and you're done. Become the king of speed in auto detailing. Underpromise and over-deliver.


:)
 
davidc11291 said:
1.)I know that a glaze has no abrasive action ........

2.).....a "pure polish" is defined as a polish with no abrasive properties .....

3.)....is actually the same thing as a glaze.
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-Even though the "category" given to Meguire's #7 Show Car Glaze may be misleading...Meguiar's is the only manufacturer that I know of that has always firmly averred #7 contains NO abrasives and they have never, ever wavered in that declaration.
-I feel #7 is unique, incomparable, second to none, distinctive, unparalleled, unrivaled....

-I really like 3M Imperial Hand Glaze, but I won't put it in the same "category" as #7 being a "pure polish". That's just me, though.

With that being said:

-I tend to disagree with 1.)
-I tend to agree with 2.)
-I tend to disagree with 3.)


Also:

-Many glazes/polishes claim to remove swirls/minor scratches without the use of abrasives, of some sort or the other. For example....Some might claim their products will massage away the swirls/light scratches. Others may claim their products will gently round over, the hard edges of swirls/scratches.

-IMO.....It's entirely up to an individual, then, to decide whether, or not, that is possible without using some sort of abrasives.

-Not saying that abrasives, are bad for vehicles' paint. Not at all, when used properly.
-It's just: "The Process" (of selecting glazes/polishes), as I have now become accustomed to, so often becomes blurred.

:)

Bob
 
I previously used 3M hand glaze for decades.....but the last batch I purchased the results were good, but not great imho.....
given the price increases of 3M whole product line (which I think is insane), a rep let me try Pro # P21 Swirl mark remover & polish. now I use their Satin creme carnuba extensively and it is excellent, so I tried the P21 (even though i really (typically) don't like "combination products" most of the time....but I was very, very impressed...i used it on my wifes car (black) hood, so I could really see if it was just "another product"...you know what I mean I think.......it is every bit of the original 3M hand glaze line but at 1/2 the price!
 
I have a bottle of 3M Imperial Hand Glaze that I've never used. What did you use it for exactly?
 
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