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Damn, today was a tough day in the markets. The Dow was down 416, Nasdaq 96. When I checked them I thought there may be another terrorist attack or something. But it was just following on the heels of China's 9% slide.

Hmmm, maybe time to transfer some equities into fixed income?
 
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I'm not surprize. I have been expectly the market to be on the down turn.
 
I was in the oil sector (no where else) when the spike hit, and got out about 4 months ago. I came out a winner. Bought 55 shares of CHK (Chesapeake Energy) for $12.74, and it's now over $30. Too bad I was only 18 at the time. I wish I could have dumped tens of thousands into the market. I could have been retired!!





-Nick
 
this could be just what the market needed, a correction. As such if inflation is in check, economic markets are cooling and oil production is down (meaning prices are up) then the Fed is likely to drop interest rates. This equates to more spending, trying to respark the housing market and such. Not all loses are bad, and cycles have many a turn.

This 400 point loss equates to around 4%, but will likely cause further losses as the jumpy get nervous and get out. Remember to buy when market is down !!
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
this could be just what the market needed, a correction. As such if inflation is in check, economic markets are cooling and oil production is down (meaning prices are up) then the Fed is likely to drop interest rates. This equates to more spending, trying to respark the housing market and such. Not all loses are bad, and cycles have many a turn.

This 400 point loss equates to around 4%, but will likely cause further losses as the jumpy get nervous and get out. Remember to buy when market is down !!
Agree, especially in Scotts and my business:D.

Buy low sell high:righton:
 
BetaB said:
but how low is it going to go?

need a Crystal Ball for that answer, but I guarantee some will get very rich off the market again. Everything works in cycles ...
 
Sold my Internet Service Provider business in Jul of 2002 and put almost everything to the market against my advisor recommendation. Watch it fall in Oct 2002 to 7400 then what a ride to 12,000 plus. Two more years to retirement and I’m going to turn my current business over to my stepson and enjoy life.
 
Should I keep my 401k contributions where they are (higher risk) or transfer them to the safe fund for a while? If I transfer them now won't I lose out from the market drop?
 
depends on age and risk factor ... if you have over 10 years till retirement, leave it alone in a well diversified structure.
 
That is really a hard question! To me so much depends on your age – can you lose money and still have time to recoup prior to retirement? Are you willing to gamble? I just turned down a chance to make another 6 figure income just because I was only 80% surer that I could recoup my losses if the deal didn’t work. I’m at the point of life (58 years) that an egg in poke is worth two in bush – just too old to really gamble.

I have always live by - Those of us that are will to gamble everything on a dream and the rest of them are called employees.
 
The market is doing a small correction. It is just the bigger investors "shaking the tree". Remember we have 7 years of bull and 3 years bear market. Right now we have about 3 more years of bull market. I would have bought stock today, but I was busy trying to get ready for pricing mutual funds. The market should be back up by mid March. I have been involve in finance for over 15 years. I do not get worried about these market corrections, just make sure you do not sell on the down side.
 
yeah, I've got it mixed up pretty good into several of the funds, most being high risk because I'm only 38. I just was wondering if I should move it into the safe fund for a few months so I don't lose too much. I'll keep it in the high risk unless you tell me otherwise---you're the boss:-)
 
dengood1 said:
I just was wondering if I should move it into the safe fund for a few months so I don't lose too much.
That is what I mean by "shaking the tree". Your average cost being in a 401k in low compared to buying shares of a mutual fund at an one time purchase.

I like to see the market takes its dips right around pay dates, but unfortunately today is not that day.:p
 
blckbrd said:
I like to see the market takes its dips right around pay dates, but unfortunately today is not that day.:p
I'm with you on that! :D
 
Killr, why do you think the fed is going to lower the interest rates again? Can you show me where inflation has progressed upward?

Or the market is on a downturn?

The chinese market is a bunch of bs anyway. Their fiscal system is full of promises and let downs.

The US economy is the best its been since the 60s in some areas and best ever in the life of our country. THE GDP is the highest its ever been. Even at 12,1xx for the dow its hte highest its ever been. The unemployment rate is the lowest its ever been since the 60s.

I have never seen any reason why we should be so worried about what China does in the economy. I'd like to find how much of our econ. depends on the outcomes of China.

If in fact China continues to fall today and our market falls a bit more, those that are a long time away from retirement is a good time to buy in more. Your dollar goes alot further.

Remember, war provides for an extremely growing economy. As long as we're in war, don't expect a downturn.
 
Inflation has not necessarily increased, if it did, then rates would have to go UP to curb it. Economic conditions, the cost of goods, has gone up and unfortunately is sometimes misconstrued with inflation. If inflation drops or stay modest, then the Fed can drop rates. Remember all the recent rate hikes were to try and curb inflation.

Outside markets, like China, can be a very good indicator of our economic condition. Who is buying all our concrete, steel, and such and actually shipping it abroad ?? Would you pay to ship something if you could make or get it locally. Unfortunately these markets correct also, and their financial system is not always as developed and safeguarded as ours.

I dont necessarily think the market is at a downturn yet, but at a correction. Come on, 700 points since the first of the year without a big blip. The hope is all does not get scared and sell off creating more dips. Buy....buy ... buy !!

My only hope is that the housing market respurs itself. Unfortunately there is usually only two ways. Interest, and repossession. If interest is lowered, people can afford to live in current homes, make more money, and move into larger homes. Second is repossession, where homes are taken in large numbers and resold at a loss thus spuring market. Problem, the banks take the loss and thus must make these losses back up with service fee's, higher interest, chargeoffs, business losses, and other issues which can slow this area. (very high concern to me, as my industry).

Finally war, hurricanes, and natural catastrophes can spur and reduce the economy. First spending is necessary which actually helps the economy. Unfortunately as seen in 9-11 it also creates a syndrome where people shutdown and slowdown. They look for safety by essentially freezing in the moment, and obviously if they are not working, spending, eating, and saving then money is no longer in motion.

My thoughts ... plow thru, keep going. Keep oil in check, keep spending, and lets see DOW at 13500+ at end of '07.
 
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Killr,

That was what I was wanting you to get at. We were thinking along the same lines but wanted to make sure.

As you said, mortgage/real estate is your industry as is mine. I pay very close attention to it. I've been in the mortgage industry for 10+ years and now teach it online to 16,000+ students. Mortgage Education, providing CEU and College Courses for Mortgage Brokers, Loan Officers and Real Estate Professionals Nationwide is mine and my families business.

The housing market is ok in certain markets. (I"m also a licensed appraiser for 8 years) Its the upper eschlon of homes I'm worried about. The 500k+ homes. Take a 180k home in Atlanta and you can't hardly keep it on the market if its new. The pre-existing homes are whats in trouble. People are trying to make a quick million per se and over inflating values based upon homes that are selling new and 9 times out of 10, the pre-existing is not even comparable.

What I'm deathly afraid of in this market right now is the over-extension of borrowers. So many people are over extended on their bills right now, especially when it comes to their mortgages. All these interest only loans are going to start coming due VERY SOON. Typical term for interest is 3-5 years. Then it matures and it adjusts to a fixed rate or ballon payment. Most people are over extended if they weren't smart with their money and will be having some foreclosures start to happen because they cant adjust to the extra cost of the bills.

Its going to be interesting to say the least to see what happens. Might be good time for real estate investors to jump in and get some rentals going! :D
 
C5's my type of guy (check my profile:D). Yeh, the biggest issue I run into is stated deals, people don't understand how it works, you just don't state your income (though 98% of broker still will:rolleyes: ). I get people who call all the time and I can't do anything b/c they were over-stated for income and W2 (seriously if your W2 you prove income plain and simple, only exception would be a waiter or maybe if you have a side business that's mostly cash etc). So between that and Arms adjusting, I get people who are already maxed out and the difference in payment is enough to shoot them over DTI ratios, just had one the other day, 78 DTI.

I've helped a couple with their credit, but you can't just remove items and hope for a better score, depending on dates reported etc it might actually hurt the score. If your W2 and can't qualify for full doc, your true choice is no-doc-no-ratio and take a slightly higher rate. B/c now they will actually come after anybody involved in the transaction (borrower) if they pull the 4506t and see the income over-stated.

I live in a very wealthy/high end area and there are a lot of forclosures here right now. Other thing is too many people jumped in thinking "I'm an investor", the ones who bought the last year or two generally got an Arm for 2 years as well and obviously the last two years showed the highest values, and now with the downturn they've lost a ton of equity and usually don't have any now, Arm adjust and they can't do anything b/c the house isn't worth what it was and they can't afford the adjusted payment. Plus the sleazebag brokers who would have appraisers inflate values (I need this amount b/c he needs this cash out etc), get a loan for 500K, and now house appraises for 350K, you can't sell and can't refi, your screwed. I had one guy a few weeks ago ask me if my appraiser could up the value 60K so he can get more cash out lol, com'on.
 
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I too agree that this market slump is somewhat based upon area. Clearly Florida was hit hardest as the factor of insurance, property taxes, and windstorm added to the interest increase. But I would also say, it had too, you see the market needs to re-adjust or cycle thru after a strong run.

A true investor wont get hurt in this market, they will do one of two things. One, they will hold until the market rebuilds. Two, they will dump at a loss. Why ?? Because, just as in a stock, they look at the entire portfolio. So you took a loss on your last holding, but what did you make during the entire run. My problem, is typically we as an industry fail to point out the benefits of a market until its to late, and thus someone finances their primary residence to the hilt and buys an investment at highest value (cost) as market starts to decline. (ie.. loss)

This brings us directly back to the stock market, and the Dows correction. What did you actually buy the fund, bond, or stock at and when ?? Are you up as a whole or down ?? My portfolio is still running hard, and not quite ready to pull out substantial funds and park an STS-V in the front yard as a depreciating item. I truly believe the stock market cycle is just beginning, and should run hard for several years. Problem, nobody remembers the last of the 90's, but clearly remembers the market fall of 9-11.

In closing, I will give you one hard fact. The baby-boom generation is set to retire over the next 12-20 years. The economy has NEVER seen this much money in motion. Why ?? Because this is the first generation that saved, invested, and planned to retire. They are going to spend billions, and this equates to the run of a lifetime. This money will change hands dozens of times, from employers plan to iras, to annuities, to purchases and travel. And thus, a trival point in the US economy.
 
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