Duragloss help....

[techaview]

Can duragloss expert help?

I have done a hand polish of my ride using duragloss #601/105 3 layers prior to claying with car shampoo. When i park under streetlight i can see under the halogen light my whole car are full or light swirl marks. I have to admit that prior to using duragloss #601/105 i haven't checked for any swirl mark. Now i am thinking of getting DA to remove all the swirl marks before applying sealant....

I have on hand with me from my previous detailing arsenal;

SONAX Xtreme Polish + Wax 3 NanoPro
http://www.sonax.com/Car-Care/Products/Xtr...ME-Polish-Wax-3
abstract from the website::
Extremely fine aluminium oxide powder polishes scratches caused by car washes, fingernails and other signs of normal wear (abrasive?)

Zaino z5 pro
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/mercha...roduct_Code=Z-5
abstract from the website::
Enhanced swirl-hiding capabilities (Filler instead of abrasive property?)

My question is which one can I use it for polish since both of them can remove/hide swirl marks? Coz I am thinking if they can do the job then i do not need to purchase another product just to do the job
Or am I better to use duragloss swirl mark remover or #501 to remove them all? Can #501 remove all the swirl mark in my ride? Thanks

 

[RZJZA80]

It depends, what car are you working on? Neither one of the products you listed are have much cut in them. Sonax would correct a little while the Z5 would hide, not so much correct. It all depends how bad the car is, how good you want it to be, and what car you're working on (all cars have different levels of hardness for the clear).

 

[RTexasF]

I do not proclaim to be an expert but I do have a lot of time in grade. It obviously depends on the severity but I don't see either of the products you have solving the problem. It's more likely that a machine polish with a true abrasive polish and the correct pad will be the fix. There are a zillion polishes and light compounds on the market now and you'll get just as many brand suggestions. All I will say on that front is that the Menzerna line has never failed me.

There is a huge amount of information here both in print and video that ranges from how to use a buffer to what polishes & pads to choose......and why. Read, read, and read some more.

Keep in mind that even if you want to simply hide the swirls the Zaino needs to go directly on clean paint. The only way to do that is to remove the DG sealant and that requires a machine polish. In my view you might as well do it right and clean up the swirls properly since you need to machine remove the DG anyway.....Dawn does not instantly remove the DG combo you used. That same combo will look like a million bucks once you apply it over your newly polished clean surface. The difference will be quite amazing.

 

[ski2]

If I'm reading your post correctly you:

1. Applied 3 layers of DG 601/105 then you

2. Clayed the car

If this is the case you did things backwards--you should wash the car, clay, the polish with a product containing abrasives and finally apply your DG 601/105.

Even though DG 105's name is "Total Performance Polish," it is NOT a POLISH--it has no abrasives that will remove swirls by hand or machine so if you were looking to remove swirls by hand DG105 is not the product to use. DG 105 is a SEALANT with some mild chemical cleaning ability.

DG 501 is a stronger chemical cleaner with some very, very mild abrasives and it includes a sealant.

 

[pld]

If I'm reading your post correctly you:

1. Applied 3 layers of DG 601/105 then you

2. Clayed the car

If this is the case you did things backwards--you should wash the car, clay, the polish with a product containing abrasives and finally apply your DG 601/105.

Even though DG 105's name is "Total Performance Polish," it is NOT a POLISH--it has no abrasives that will remove swirls by hand or machine so if you were looking to remove swirls by hand DG105 is not the product to use. DG 105 is a SEALANT with some mild chemical cleaning ability.

DG 501 is a stronger chemical cleaner with some very, very mild abrasives and it includes a sealant.

rops:

 

[techaview]

It depends, what car are you working on? Neither one of the products you listed are have much cut in them. Sonax would correct a little while the Z5 would hide, not so much correct. It all depends how bad the car is, how good you want it to be, and what car you're working on (all cars have different levels of hardness for the clear).

Car is audi a4 07 make in gray dolphin color. Previous owner has taken care of the paint except for tons of swirl marks/spider web/light scratches which is not quite visibility unless under halogen or streetlight... For a beginner like me to be able to achieve a mirror reflective will be a bliss... Some pic of result by hand polish the previous round

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[techaview]

rops:

Did my claybar before the application of duragloss 601/105... 3 layers by hand polish....

Question is should I get all the duragloss product and try to see which one will yearn the result I want 671/652/501 but wanted to check with expert here before I dump hard warn $$ into the product knowing I will use them one time only....

 

[techaview]

I do not proclaim to be an expert but I do have a lot of time in grade. It obviously depends on the severity but I don't see either of the products you have solving the problem. It's more likely that a machine polish with a true abrasive polish and the correct pad will be the fix. There are a zillion polishes and light compounds on the market now and you'll get just as many brand suggestions. All I will say on that front is that the Menzerna line has never failed me.

There is a huge amount of information here both in print and video that ranges from how to use a buffer to what polishes & pads to choose......and why. Read, read, and read some more.

Keep in mind that even if you want to simply hide the swirls the Zaino needs to go directly on clean paint. The only way to do that is to remove the DG sealant and that requires a machine polish. In my view you might as well do it right and clean up the swirls properly since you need to machine remove the DG anyway.....Dawn does not instantly remove the DG combo you used. That same combo will look like a million bucks once you apply it over your newly polished clean surface. The difference will be quite amazing.

Mate so u are suggesting I go directly to using a light compound to do it once and for all? Some light compound I have access to are menzerna, meguair and duragloss.

If I will to get any of them, using dawn, followed by da with light compound and finish off with 601/105 should achieve my objective right?

 

[techaview]

So I have doing some read up again....

Seem like sonax xtreme polish + wax 3 and zaino z5 are more of a polish with sealant protection but with little cutting compound. Using duragloss 671/652 will require me to perform 2 steps method. Until I came across menzerna..

Looking at the comparison chart on menzerna product range, can expert tell me what will be the recommended polish to use based on the pic I have uploaded earlier on... Basically I just want to have a 1 step polish to shorten the task

http://www.detailedimage.com/Menzerna-Polishing-Chart/

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Both Zaino and Duragloss refer to their protection products as "polishes" while normally we here would consider a polish to be an abrasive capable of removing defects.

Although I can't see them in your pictures, I believe you when you say that your car has a lot of wash-induced spider web swirling...and Audi's have hard paint.

I'm sorry to say that working by hand, a "one-step" solution is simply a pipe dream. It will take a LOT of work by hand just to remove those swirls, and that will be with a dedicated product. I'm not sure where you're located and what your access is, but Meguiar's Ultimate Compound is probably your best bet by hand, and then you'll need to follow that up with some sort of wax or sealant.

If you really want a one-step product, you can one of the Duragloss swirl removers that you have mentioned, I believe they have some protection built-in...no one really seems to use those products here. Another good one would be Optimum Opti-Seal, and there are many other AIO products, including ZAIO...none of them are going to do very much for your swirls by hand.

 

[Klasse Act]

I agree with Setec, if you must work by hand, Meg's UC is a great choice but make sure arm muscles are up to it, as well as an open afternoon. Work a section at a time, like break the hood up into maybe 6 sections at a time. I know that paint is hard so it might take some time but with some effort, you at the very least make it look noticeably better.

I'm subscribing to this thread to see how it goes. What are you going to seal the car with when your done?

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[RTexasF]

Mate so u are suggesting I go directly to using a light compound to do it once and for all? Some light compound I have access to are menzerna, meguair and duragloss.

If I will to get any of them, using dawn, followed by da with light compound and finish off with 601/105 should achieve my objective right?

That is indeed what I am saying. Get the DA, some pads, various polishes, and do it right the first time. This will not be a one time thing. No matter how careful one is you will get imperfections in the paint over time and you will have all at the ready to take care of it. I don't see a Dawn wash as necessary but that's your call.

 

[techaview]

Guys thanks for the contribution and advice. Sorry for missing my point out, I am planning on ordering pc7424xp and should be receiving it in 2 weeks time. That y am planning to get some advice first.

Sorry I do not have any pic showing my swirl marks but when I look under the street halogen light during night time, I can see the swirl marks everywhere... On the bonnet, car top and trunk... Not sure about the side panel though coz I can get the light able to see it. But they are light swirl mark though coz I can really see them during day time.

Hence I am thinking of using the following polish to get my job done

Car wash with dawn
Claybar with optimum no rinse clay lub
Car wash again with sonax high gloss
Light cutting compound :: menzerna sf4000 fa106fa super polish
Sealant :: duragloss 601/105 premixed with 4:1 ration 3 layers. Leave to cure for 24 hours

Or sonax Xtreme polish + wax 3 (trying to finish this first)

Or zaino z5 pro cure 24 hours with 3 layering

LSP with sonax xtreme wax 1 full protect. When finish will likely go for collinite 915 or dodo supernatural hybrid

Weekly regime will be car wash with sonax qd mixed with zaino z6 for sheeting and slickness effect...

What do u guys think?

 

[ski2]

If you have the option get the Groits Garage DA as it's allot more powerful and has a lifetime warranty. It's the machine to have if you're only going to have one.

 

[techaview]

If you have the option get the Groits Garage DA as it's allot more powerful and has a lifetime warranty. It's the machine to have if you're only going to have one.

Thanks bro for the recommendation but I am not based in US so getting a DA damn bloody ex in my country... Getting porter cable since amazon can deliver free for me so it is worth it.

 

[Klasse Act]

Sorry you can't get the 6" GG RO into your country, wonder why this is? As far as the Dawn wash, I'd skip that, not a fan of that and as far as your LSP goes, go for the Collinite #915, I hear nothing but great things about it and everyone was right about Collinite #845 so I see no reason not to believe the hype about #915 and its really not expensive either, guess that's what happens when you concentrate solely on making great products and not worrying about how something smells or a catchy "groovy" name for it.

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[techaview]

Sorry you can't get the 6" GG RO into your country, wonder why this is? As far as the Dawn wash, I'd skip that, not a fan of that and as far as your LSP goes, go for the Collinite #915, I hear nothing but great things about it and everyone was right about Collinite #845 so I see no reason not to believe the hype about #915 and its really not expensive either, guess that's what happens when you concentrate solely on making great products and not worrying about how something smells or a catchy "groovy" name for it.

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Yes fortunately collinte 915 is selling at an affordable price over here. Have been hearing rave review on this. Dodo snh is about 20% more ex than 915. See no reason why I will not try 915 first!

 

[KillaCam]

Sorry you can't get the 6" GG RO into your country, wonder why this is? As far as the Dawn wash, I'd skip that, not a fan of that and as far as your LSP goes, go for the Collinite #915, I hear nothing but great things about it and everyone was right about Collinite #845 so I see no reason not to believe the hype about #915 and its really not expensive either, guess that's what happens when you concentrate solely on making great products and not worrying about how something smells or a catchy "groovy" name for it.

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915 is good but tricky to apply. 845 is much more user friendly. 915 is super durable like all collinite products but beading and sheeting diminished quickly on horizontal panels for me. I do like the fact that 915 hides small imperfections though because of the high carnauba content.

 

[ski2]

Thanks bro for the recommendation but I am not based in US so getting a DA damn bloody ex in my country... Getting porter cable since amazon can deliver free for me so it is worth it.

I believe the DAS 6 Power Plus DA Polisher available from Amazon is the same as the Griots.

 

[Klasse Act]

915 is good but tricky to apply. 845 is much more user friendly. 915 is super durable like all collinite products but beading and sheeting diminished quickly on horizontal panels for me. I do like the fact that 915 hides small imperfections though because of the high carnauba content.

Since you've got experience with the #915 would you agree with what people say that its geared more towards shine then? What are your personal tips/tricks when applying it, please go into detail if you could, thanks.

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