Einszett Gummi Pflege

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I've read a lot of positive opinions about Einszett Gummi Pflege and I was curious what's inside it. I noticed a few weird things.

The Einszett UK site says that "it contains no silicone. Why is this important? Because many treatments for rubber do include silicone, which is great at making rubber look good - for a while, but not so good when it comes to dust and dirt."

However, the US site doesn't mention this. And if you look at the MSDS they posted, it says that the Gummi does contain silicone (polydimethylsiloxane). Isn't that hilarious?

Anyway, I think there must be 2 different formulas they use, and the US product is different than the UK one, EVEN THOUGH they have the SAME name and they're from the SAME company.

I've also found a German MSDS which doesn't mention any hazardous substance. Whatever is in the European version, I guess you can also drink it if you feel like it.

Also, the US MSDS mentions ethanol exposure, so I guess it also contains some amounts of ethanol. Probably small amounts, but still not exactly good for rubber.

So, does anybody have any idea what's in the European version of the Gummi? Is it wax based?
 
Pretty sure you should stay away from silicone on your vehicle. In fact, I think I'd stay away from that gummi stuff altogether, based on what you are saying. Others may correct me. Let's see.
 
Welcome to AutoGeek :)

I can't answer your questions but I will say it works well and you'll see a bunch of people swear by it shortly. While it is very good I personally consider it over rated. I like it a lot but for the price it doesn't do things any better than a number of other products. Before making a selection I would consider Duragloss 531 as well. The durability on DG 531 is beyond any other seal product I've used.

Also, I would encourage you to remove the links to any site that sells products. It is against forum rules. It's not my business and I don't really care but just giving you a heads up so you can make the decision on whether or not to break the rule for yourself.

Cheers! A pleasure to have you at AGO.
 
I've used Gummi Pflege for many years, old school German car guy, It's always kept my seals and body gaskets looking good with little environmental wear. Whatever is in it is fine with me.
I generally do not change products once I find one I like, call me fanboy if you'd like, but I love most all DuraGloss products simply because they do what they say for a good price so I would not hesitate to say the reccommendation of the DG 531 product is probably solid as well but never used it.
 
CEE DOG said:
Welcome to AutoGeek :)
While it is very good I personally consider it over rated. I like it a lot but for the price it doesn't do things any better than a number of other products.

:iagree:Corey, but the applicator is worth the rating. :laughing:
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got a bottle last order. it is good at what it does. the applicator is good.
 
Rsurfer said:
:iagree:Corey, but the applicator is worth the rating. :laughing:
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Good point, :iagree:

Our buddy Jim sent me the DG531 in a dauper bottle similar to the GP but more durable.
 
I think silicon based products are those that we ought to stay away from using on vehicles. That EinZett Gummi Pflege claims to be water based, like most of todays dressings. If it has a little silicone in it, I highly doubt it would cause any damage to your car.
 
I have gummy pflege and I use it.. I like it & it does a good job.. I have also used lemon pledge before and it works great too.
 
I bought 2 bottles with my first order....its easy to use, the applicator is great. I also bought their Cockpit Premium cleaner...I am very happy with that as well.

Fussman
 
FussMan said:
I bought 2 bottles with my first order....its easy to use, the applicator is great. I also bought their Cockpit Premium cleaner...I am very happy with that as well.

Fussman
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Good choices for a fussy guy.:props:
 
I have seen no harm or appreciable wear while using it for years and years. It has a great applicator, looks good, water resistant, and lasts along time.
 
Been using Gummi Pflege on the cars for a couple of years now.
Even today, applied it on the gaskets around the doors in the house and the garage door.
 
cib3k said:
I've read a lot of positive opinions about Einszett Gummi Pflege and I was curious what's inside it. I noticed a few weird things.

The Einszett UK site says that "it contains no silicone. Why is this important? Because many treatments for rubber do include silicone, which is great at making rubber look good - for a while, but not so good when it comes to dust and dirt."

However, the US site doesn't mention this. And if you look at the MSDS they posted, it says that the Gummi does contain silicone (polydimethylsiloxane). Isn't that hilarious?

Anyway, I think there must be 2 different formulas they use, and the US product is different than the UK one, EVEN THOUGH they have the SAME name and they're from the SAME company.

I've also found a German MSDS which doesn't mention any hazardous substance. Whatever is in the European version, I guess you can also drink it if you feel like it.

Also, the US MSDS mentions ethanol exposure, so I guess it also contains some amounts of ethanol. Probably small amounts, but still not exactly good for rubber.

So, does anybody have any idea what's in the European version of the Gummi? Is it wax based?
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Hopefully I can shed some light on this. I just hope I don't make it more confusing.

The term "silicone free", IMO, is kind of misleading. Yes, Gummi does have silicone but like you said it has polydimethylsilicone which is a water-based silicone.

The old myth of silicone still hangs around. It started with the good ole Armor All stories of cracked dashboards. Armor All and other products used to use or still use (as in the case with some products) an oil based solution (petroleum distillates) as a plastic/rubber trim dressing. Silicone oil is added to offer water resistance and shine.

The problem with petroleum distillates is that they dry plastic and rubber trim - causing them to eventually crack. What did people put the blame on? The petroleum? No. They blamed silicone. But until this day people are fearful of silicone and warn against using it on plastic or rubber.

So when a company states that their product is silicone-free, I think what they are truly saying is that it is silicone-oil-free. This is sort of misleading like saying that a carnauba wax contains 100% carnauba. The truth is that the 35% content of carnauba is 100% carnauba. It would be impossible to have 100% carnauba because you'd be essentially holding a rock in your hand.

But to give the benefit of the doubt to those who use this statement, it does make many customers feel assured that the product won't damage their trim. You can try and explain to some customers all day long the facts but the fear is so ingrained that it goes in one ear and out the other. So you end up feeling the need to make statements like "silicone-free" (especially if your competition is still using it) to give comfort to the customer.

So bottom line is that we can't mix silicone-oil with a water-based solution (water/oil don't mix) which is why we use polydimethylsilicone which is a water-based silicone. Water-based silicones are no problem.

Does this help?
 
Mike @ einszett said:
Hopefully I can shed some light on this. I just hope I don't make it more confusing.

The term "silicone free", IMO, is kind of misleading. Yes, Gummi does have silicone but like you said it has polydimethylsilicone which is a water-based silicone.

The old myth of silicone still hangs around. It started with the good ole Armor All stories of cracked dashboards. Armor All and other products used to use or still use (as in the case with some products) an oil based solution (petroleum distillates) as a plastic/rubber trim dressing. Silicone oil is added to offer water resistance and shine.

The problem with petroleum distillates is that they dry plastic and rubber trim - causing them to eventually crack. What did people put the blame on? The petroleum? No. They blamed silicone. But until this day people are fearful of silicone and warn against using it on plastic or rubber.

So when a company states that their product is silicone-free, I think what they are truly saying is that it is silicone-oil-free. This is sort of misleading like saying that a carnauba wax contains 100% carnauba. The truth is that the 35% content of carnauba is 100% carnauba. It would be impossible to have 100% carnauba because you'd be essentially holding a rock in your hand.

But to give the benefit of the doubt to those who use this statement, it does make many customers feel assured that the product won't damage their trim. You can try and explain to some customers all day long the facts but the fear is so ingrained that it goes in one ear and out the other. So you end up feeling the need to make statements like "silicone-free" (especially if your competition is still using it) to give comfort to the customer.

So bottom line is that we can't mix silicone-oil with a water-based solution (water/oil don't mix) which is why we use polydimethylsilicone which is a water-based silicone. Water-based silicones are no problem.

Does this help?
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Well explained!
 
Agree with Corey regarding DG 531! The applicator bottle for Gummi isnt very durable eiither,
 
Old Tiger said:
Agree with Corey regarding DG 531! The applicator bottle for Gummi isnt very durable eiither,
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Two things you can do to extend the life of the applicator sponge:

1. Wipe down any trim prior to application with a damp cloth to remove any dust/dirt. This way the sponge stays clean.
2. You can pop off the applicator from the bottle and wash it with soap/water. I recommend doing this after each use. Allowing the solution and dirt to stay on the applicator will break down the foam faster.

When removing, be sure to be careful. It requires a little oomph but you want to hold the bottle securely otherwise the solution might come out when you pull it off.
 
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