example of why a paint cleaner is important

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i cant post pics of the the car but ,the car did was washed ,clayed and polished with menzerna 106 orange pad. Then i used white pad with KLASSE AIO and this was the result,it goes to show you how important a paint cleaner is in a good detail.
 
I do not understand. What should I be noticing? I guess it is something on the pad. Sorry for being dumb.
 
I think a paint cleanser in replacement of a polish on a well taken care of finish still helps to remove minor environmental issues. Some we may see, others we cannot. I use Pinnacle or P21S when needed as easily to use and great results.
 
bunky the piont is after a wash,clay and abrassive polish all that dirt remains on your paint.
 
I'm guessing that used to be a white pad? I honestly wounldn't have expected those results after polishing, quite surprising. Last week I detailed a Trailblazer, did ONR, clay, and FK425 and PwS, UDM and here is the pad after:

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That is without polishing beforehand, I would have assumed that the polish would also clean the paint ... guess not :). Thanks!
 
What kind of car was it what color? Did you do an ISO wipe down after polish?
 
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No way I would have guessed that either. Things always look perfect after a polish. Thanks for showing us that.
 
mixxer said:
bunky the piont is after a wash,clay and abrassive polish all that dirt remains on your paint.
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OK. so if he was using a white pad, it should have been just filled with dried AOI and the dark is the dirt/oxidation that was not removed from the surface?
 
no iso wipe down after i wiped down with dp waterless wash after the polish be cause it has cleaners and lubricty. -------- well yes bunky but the klasse wouldnt cake a pad up it should just look like a white pad.
 
I just do not understand how an aggressive polish that removes some very small amount of top coat in order to achieve the polishing results can have dirt remaining if it is attached the surface removed. Is it disturbed (must be if above is true) and spread by the polishing action but essentially redistributed on the surface?
 
It might be bunky what ever it is or where ever it came from by removing it would increase the bonding of last step products and most likely add clearity to the paint there for making it an important step often skipped.
 
clear coated light silver gto,know one has seen the car yet so thats all i can really say about the car its kind of top secret project.
 
I have also experienced this after doing polish job...

I can wash, clay, polish use DG501 and the pad on my PC will be very dirty..
 
mixxer said:
clear coated light silver gto,know one has seen the car yet so thats all i can really say about the car its kind of top secret project.
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hmmm, ok now youve got my attention :righton:

I havent really experienced any of this with my car yet, but I think its because I clayed really good and the car has always been very clean and well kept, actually garage kept. Ive tried P21S paintwork cleansing lotion and XMT360, and both left a noticeable difference in the appearance of the paint, but neither showed that much grime on the pads/applicators.
 
MotorCity Honda said:
I have also experienced this after doing polish job...

I can wash, clay, polish use DG501 and the pad on my PC will be very dirty..
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I experienced it with WOlfgang paintwork enhancer. The white pad got dirty :p. I believe a chemical polish should never be skipped on your personal car. It's just that extra step to help the sealant/wax last longer on the surface of your car. I am actually experimenting with that right now. The whole car received a wolfgang paintwork enhancer treatment except for the bumpers and I applied DGPS. I'll see if the bumper will have less longevity than the panels of the car that received chemical polish, or if they will have the same longevity.
 
Polishes are formulated with a limited amount of solvent to help 'clean' the paint, limited amounts otherwise it will effect the polish by thinning the oils that are required for surface lubrication

I remember suggesting this and many though that it was an unecessary step- looks like it's very necessary :cheers:

For a pristine paint film surface- after the application of detailer’s clay use a paint cleaner (Zaino ZPC Fusion Dual Action Paint Cleaner – (http//: www.com: the web starts here... or Klasse All-In-One (http//:AutoGeek.com Automotive Super Site) to ensure the surface is clean and the sub-surface is free of any grease or other residue, ready for polishing and the application of a sealant and / or Carnauba wax surface protection. The paint cleaner’s suggested above can sometimes be used instead of detailers clay if the ‘bag test’ doesn’t reveal contaminates but the surface looks ‘soiled’ use a chemical surface cleaner (especially on light coloured paint)
 
I always use a pinn paint cleanse, or wolfgang after I polish.
Or before I wax for that matter...

But, if you noticed the white pad turned gray, alot like the color of 106ff.
Have u noticed that whenever 106 is used, your white pad always turns slightly grey. I believe that the paint cleanser is cleaning off any remaining 106 on the surface. That has alot to do with the discoloration of the white pad. Just my two cents...
 
If what you are removing is stuff on the paint with the pre-wax cleaner why not use the pre-wax cleaner prior to polishing so you are not polishing with the stuff on the paint since it must be getting moved around during polishing. I think everyone has said the polish is not being left behind.
 
Bunky said:
If what you are removing is stuff on the paint with the pre-wax cleaner why not use the pre-wax cleaner prior to polishing so you are not polishing with the stuff on the paint since it must be getting moved around during polishing. I think everyone has said the polish is not being left behind.
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Its a good idea. Why most people dont do it is because it is a lot of extra work. The main thing is that you do it before you wax or seal. This will help the protection bond to the surface, and it wil get rid of any extra polish that might have been left behind.
And some polish is definatly being left behind, thats why a IPA wipedown is recommended.
 
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