Glass Coating The Paint !

[SAM_69]

So currently i'm living and working in Thailand originally from Chicago, Anyways i'm seeing everyone one down in here using Glass coating as a protection after the paint correction process no more sealant or wax in car care category here in thailand Im the MAN , Some are still using it but they're considered old school by the public.
I tried to ask many question in here but simply hard to find answers .
So i thought i will ask it in here hoping to find some.:xyxthumbs:

What is glass coating ?
Why they do have a rating of a microns?
Why applying it in many layers 2,3 or 4 to achieve 20 to 30 microns thickness?
Can i polish the paint while its on the surface?
Why should i choose it over a traditional sealant ?
Whats the pros and cons in using it ?
And the biggest question WHY no one using it back in the States ?? If it in use why it aint that popular??
It's extremely cheap down in here for a good japanese brand about 45-90$ For the 100 ml can
as far as i know 20 ml is enough to apply 2 layers on full size sedan .

Guys check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORaE3Gd4QJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feQXLwv3gIs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW66NIA3Mq0




Sam J
:cruisin:

 

[allenk4]

Are they claiming 20-30 microns of coating thickness?

I did the math on my SUV and it would take >32ml to build 2 microns of thickness (paint only)

This math did not account for the % of the coating that flashes off. Many coatings are <30% resin or silica

 

[Tato]

I don't have enough time to answer you fully right now, but I'll try something,

Glass Coating like they call it overseas is a coating containing something related to glass / silica in it's constitution.

I'll not go deep into this subject since my chemistry wouldn't be enough.

In Brazil, they call coatings by 'Vitrificação', comes from 'Vidro' which means Glass. The word for coating in Portuguese / Brazilian would sounds in english something like:

'Glassification' of a car finish: application of a protection product based on glass / silica components, and related.

Those coatings will 'harden' after cure, and it's likely to add some thickness to surface (again, cannot cite an exact number). This will vary greatly depending on product and application method / cure, etc.

In my opinion they can be layered, although I don't have a definitive answer about the best 'timing' for applying overlays, I'm moving my sticks and doing some tests.

Now, to what extent they can be layered and this will improve it's thickness / protection, if this is good, if this will interfere with curing, there's no exact answer. Will it improve looks?

What you're doing right now if not applying 4-5 coats in your own test vehicle?! Please, share and let us know your results. You already stated, they are 'relatively cheap'.

Only people really involved into development of those products can answer the above questions, but maybe answering all questions would be not interesting for them.

There should be more collaboration of coating manufactory with actual detailers to fulfill actual needs about the product.

Recently I've researched and was able to put my hands on those Glass Coatings. I've already started to apply it on test subjects, with great results.

- you're right, 20ml of a 'glass coating' are enough for ~2 cars, and exactly 2 coats on 1 car, very well applied.

I've liked the results, and based on other products I've tested to date they are very similar to CQuartz. They are definitively thicker (product consistency) than Pinnacle Black Label Coating, which I may use interchangeable with it on a coating package. When they dry on applicator / towel, you feel it has hardened, like CQ.

Both has it's strengths and weakness, both are excellent products, maybe on top with the best we have nowadays in terms of Stunning final results.

If you use a polish, you'll be polishing the coating layer. Depending on how it's attached, a cleansing / non-abrasive product may give your coating a refresh without abrading it. If you're using abrasives, I believe you'll start removing some coating until it's done, if using a wool pad and aggressive compound this may happen really fast. Everything, depends.

What I also have as results from my tests is that after polishing over a coating, you can do an IPA wipe on section worked and reapply the coating, if you wish to the whole panel, or whatever fits the situation to get the best from the job you're offering.

Another 'tricky' part about those coatings I've noticed is that sometimes a damped microfiber towel (or even IPA) is needed to remove it's residue towards achieving a streak-free surface.

According to my tests and applications, IPA mix for removing residue worked very well after ~7-10 min of product evenly spread then to a haze.

Although I've read 'throughout the world' people complaining about IPA use just after 'LSP' application, in terms it would 'weaken' some aspect of the LSP, but let me tell you in the 'Real world' I've not faced this. After hazing, IPA wipe will not remove glass coating (not to any noticeable level, at least). It's a coating, not a layer of carnauba wax.

Removal with only a dry, clean MF will probably ends up 'linting', and suede towel will spread the haze here and there ahhaha

After the damped MF, you can now use your clean / dry MF for the final buffing without any lint issue, and become amazed with surface slickness like you rarely (or never) seen before...

Please, let me know if that helps or if I've deviated the subject (ahahha), tried to put some ideas on table so we can talk about what I believe will be the 'future-present' of coatings the coming year.

I'm also here to hear more about who's also using those coatings.

Kind Regards.

 

[PiPUK]

Only people really involved into development of those products can answer the above questions, but maybe answering all questions would be not interesting for them.

There should be more collaboration of coating manufactory with actual detailers to fulfill actual needs about the product.

The problem is.... who is manufacturing these products!? We have product after product coming onto the market and not a single one seems to be able to provide proper scientific information. If you ask me, a whole lot of these coatings are being imported from the East by a bunch of people who know next to nothing, in a technical respect. What they do know, is what the detailing market wants to hear and how to sell to them. You guys are ending up with a load of products, highly advanced in nature, but with almost no direct contact to those actually developing them.

For the most part, I cannot even obtain safety data for these type of products. The only reason to go refusing the supply of such mandatory documents (given that such failure could get them shut down), is that the brands behind them don't have them.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

For the most part, I cannot even obtain safety data for these type of products. The only reason to go refusing the supply of such mandatory documents (given that such failure could get them shut down), is that the brands behind them don't have them.

You do private labeling; I'm presuming that part of the private labeling/custom blending business is providing the required regulatory compliance for the buyer? An SDS with their contact info on it (or at least listing them as the "mfr")?

Or are you saying in the instances you are describing that the seller is decanting the product into their own bottles without the knowledge of the manufacturer?

 

[allenk4]

You do private labeling; I'm presuming that part of the private labeling/custom blending business is providing the required regulatory compliance for the buyer? An SDS with their contact info on it (or at least listing them as the "mfr")?

Or are you saying in the instances you are describing that the seller is decanting the product into their own bottles without the knowledge of the manufacturer?

If the chemical make-up or "ingredient" is patented or proprietary and is not considered to be harmful, I don't think it has to appear on the MSDS by name

 

[Setec Astronomy]

If the chemical make-up or "ingredient" is patented or proprietary and is not considered to be harmful, I don't think it has to appear on the MSDS by name

Sometimes I swear you follow me around just to argue with me. I think the topic was whether an SDS was available, not what was listed on it. If I misunderstood, you're right, as always, Allen. By the way, who is that guy on your facebook page? He doesn't look anything like the guy who purports to be you at the MOL TNOG's, unless you photoshopped in a picture of you from 20 years ago.

 

[allenk4]

Sometimes I swear you follow me around just to argue with me. I think the topic was whether an SDS was available, not what was listed on it. If I misunderstood, you're right, as always, Allen. By the way, who is that guy on your facebook page? He doesn't look anything like the guy who purports to be you at the MOL TNOG's, unless you photoshopped in a picture of you from 20 years ago.

You post in every coating related thread

I am interested in coatings and ask questions in those threads

As far as following someone around, are you looking for pictures of me on other websites like MOL

What is the date of the TNOG event you are referring to?

I am in the 8th picture down in this thread, wearing a black t-shirt

Pictures from Thursday Night Open Garage - August 21, 2014

No PhotoShop

If you would like to roll/spar some time, maybe that would give you a better idea of my age & level of fitness

 

[Setec Astronomy]

You post in every coating related thread

I do?

As far as following someone around, are you looking for pictures of me on other websites like MOL, I am in the 8th picture down in this thread, wearing a black t-shirt

I happened to be interested in the new Meg's polisher, someone here (or at AF) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that they had tried it out at the TNOG, so I went there and looked at the pictures, I am sorry if I mixed you up with another Alan/Allen.

If you would like to roll/spar some time, maybe that would give you a better idea of my age & level of fitness

Yeah, that's just what I want to do, is fight you. To quote someone I see on this forum a lot, "I saw something I didn't understand, so I asked questions about it". I apologize that I mixed you up with someone else; but maybe you should switch to decaf if those are "fighting words".

 

[Rsurfer]

If the chemical make-up or "ingredient" is patented or proprietary and is not considered to be harmful, I don't think it has to appear on the MSDS by name

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot patent a chemical. Off subject, but why is your screen name Allen, isn't your name Kyle? Or do you have two first names?

 

[allenk4]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you cannot patent a chemical. Off subject, but why is your screen name Allen, isn't your name Kyle? Or do you have two first names?

Good question

As I understand it, can patent a combination of chemicals in a specific formulation

You can also have "proprietary ingredients"

This strategy allows manufacturers to keep their specific formula confidential

Kyle Allen

 

[allenk4]

I do?




I happened to be interested in the new Meg's polisher, someone here (or at AF) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that they had tried it out at the TNOG, so I went there and looked at the pictures, I am sorry if I mixed you up with another Alan/Allen.




Yeah, that's just what I want to do, is fight you. To quote someone I see on this forum a lot, "I saw something I didn't understand, so I asked questions about it". I apologize that I mixed you up with someone else; but maybe you should switch to decaf if those are "fighting words".

Alan "Jokeman" who you are referring to is probably only a few years older than me, so he would be insulted

What you did was not asking a question, you were clearly trying to poke the bear.

You accused me of hacking the Meguiar's Online website and using PhotoShop to alter a picture making myself look older?

You were in effect calling me Old and a Liar in the same breath

Rolling and Sparing are not fighting. It is a way to test skill & fitness without anyone getting hurt

 

[parttimer]

Wasn't this about a coating? I'd like to see one if these coatings that add 20 microns.

 

[allenk4]

Wasn't this about a coating? I'd like to see one if these coatings that add 20 microns.

I agree

Too many secrets doesn't like it when I ask questions or answer his questions

In reality, I general have the screen zoomed in far enough that I do not see who the poster was

 

[PiPUK]

You do private labeling; I'm presuming that part of the private labeling/custom blending business is providing the required regulatory compliance for the buyer? An SDS with their contact info on it (or at least listing them as the "mfr")?

Or are you saying in the instances you are describing that the seller is decanting the product into their own bottles without the knowledge of the manufacturer?

Yes, as a toll manufacturer, I am obliged to provide an MSDS. However, I could name others in my business who fail to do so. When buying from China or similar, they have zero obligation to supply documents which conform to US or EU regulations. This obligation falls upon those who are importing it. Of course, since those importing these products will (often) have zero knowledge of the chemical industry, they will not be aware of that.

As noted below, there are instances where ingredients need not be stated. If they are not hazardous or not present in hazardous quantities, you can avoid them in the EU (unless in a 'cleaning' product, then there is another regulation - which is often ignored - which means you need to provide a full list). Trade secrets are another one but a lot of people just use this without following proper procedure to allow them to do it. In any case, there are not many MSDS available, much less full ingredients info...

 

[RPM_BR]

They are all based on SiO2, Silicon Dioxide. The good stuff comes from Japan, and the not so good comes from China. CQuartz and Exo are SiO2 based, just to name a few. They are not ceramic nor nano based, like Pinnacle Black Label or Enviroshield or Sonax.
The compound comes as a very thick resin, and what differentiates one from another is the amount of dillutant, since in its pure form would be really hard to spread it out. I believe CQuartz is more dilluted than Gtechniq Exo, since is widely available that Exo is a pain to use it.
So, the problem the labs face is: will I make it more user friendly, with a weaker content of SiO2, or stronger, long lasting and harder to apply?
There are a lot of brands in the East, if you look at Alibaba you'll see.
All this info was passed to me from a representative from a local brand. He used to be a representative from CQuartz, and decided to join a local lab and manufacture his own version. Which is quite good, amazingly.
This is my two cents, I hope it helps.

 

[HUMP DIESEL]

The problem is.... who is manufacturing these products!? We have product after product coming onto the market and not a single one seems to be able to provide proper scientific information. If you ask me, a whole lot of these coatings are being imported from the East by a bunch of people who know next to nothing, in a technical respect. What they do know, is what the detailing market wants to hear and how to sell to them. You guys are ending up with a load of products, highly advanced in nature, but with almost no direct contact to those actually developing them.

For the most part, I cannot even obtain safety data for these type of products. The only reason to go refusing the supply of such mandatory documents (given that such failure could get them shut down), is that the brands behind them don't have them.

What about Modesta, are they not providing all the information?
I know that representatives from Japan came to SEMA and did training at Mel Craig's place.

HUMP

 

[PiPUK]

They are all based on SiO2, Silicon Dioxide. The good stuff comes from Japan, and the not so good comes from China. CQuartz and Exo are SiO2 based, just to name a few. They are not ceramic nor nano based, like Pinnacle Black Label or Enviroshield or Sonax.
The compound comes as a very thick resin, and what differentiates one from another is the amount of dillutant, since in its pure form would be really hard to spread it out. I believe CQuartz is more dilluted than Gtechniq Exo, since is widely available that Exo is a pain to use it.
So, the problem the labs face is: will I make it more user friendly, with a weaker content of SiO2, or stronger, long lasting and harder to apply?
There are a lot of brands in the East, if you look at Alibaba you'll see.
All this info was passed to me from a representative from a local brand. He used to be a representative from CQuartz, and decided to join a local lab and manufacture his own version. Which is quite good, amazingly.
This is my two cents, I hope it helps.

Was this rep a technical person? I have to say that my understanding was that Exo was very notably different from cquartz....

What about Modesta, are they not providing all the information?
I know that representatives from Japan came to SEMA and did training at Mel Craig's place.

HUMP

I am not sure, I wasn't at SEMA. I would love people to point out the companies who can actually demonstrate something beyond the run of the mill marketing junk. I'll google later and see if I can find some genuine technical info from modesta.

 

[HUMP DIESEL]

Modesta provides MSDS sheets.

HUMP