Glaze before Coating?

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I think I already know the answer to this but never hurts to ask.

So, in preparation for a coating application you polish your paint removing as many defects as possible. You then clean your paint off using a IPA/Cleaning solution to promote bonding of the coating.

It would mean then, applying a glaze for the purpose of gloss enhancing would be pointless as it would be removed with the cleaning step pre-coating, correct?

One would only really use a glaze if applying a sealant or wax over top.
 
I wouldn't recommend a glaze before a coating. The coating will not last very long without a clean, oil, and filler free surface to bond to.
 
Don't glaze prior to coating. You have to ensure the surface is free from all oils and contaminates prior to coating. As sterile of a surface as possible.
 
Also:
"Cleanliness is next to Godliness"...

But I don't consider either IPA/cleaning-solutions:
Promoters/(catalysts?) in order for Coatings' to bond to paint.

:)

Bob
 
Definitely no glaze before Opti-Coat as others have stated.

Also, if you use Optimum polishes you do not need to use an IPA wipe down before application. I recommend doing an ONR wash prior to application as it helps ensure a nice smooth application surface. You can apply directly after polishing if you wish, but sometimes the paint can feel a little grabby with the applicator. An ONR wash makes the application go smoothly. I've been applying Opti-coat for 2 and half years now and use this method.

I've now gone to actually spraying Opti-coat pro as it lays on a thicker layer (uses a little more product), less touching of the car (great on soft clears), and much faster application.
 
Thanks. I've seen a video of the spray method, seems like a good idea for the reasons you stated.
 
njarmstrong81 said:
Thanks. I've seen a video of the spray method, seems like a good idea for the reasons you stated.
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The spray method takes practice though and if your not skilled with spraying you can waste a lot of product. It took me some time to get the spray method down.

For your own personal vehicle if your planning to do the install I'd use the wipe method. As it's much easier and you won't waste product.
 
DJ Mayo says glaze before coatings is a bad idea, BUT....glaze (EZ Crème) is a great idea before a sealant.

He indicates that EZ Crème has lots of cleaners in it, which I did not know.

I just know that it looks great underneath Wolfgang Deep Gloss paint Sealant. I have not seen any decrease in the longevity of the WGDGPS when used w/ EZ
 
depends on what coating and glaze. You can use Wolf's Chemicals Shine & Glaze before applying Hard body as it leaves a good base for it.
 
allenk4 said:
DJ Mayo says glaze before coatings is a bad idea, BUT....glaze (EZ Crème) is a great idea before a sealant.

He indicates that EZ Crème has lots of cleaners in it, which I did not know.

I just know that it looks great underneath Wolfgang Deep Gloss paint Sealant. I have not seen any decrease in the longevity of the WGDGPS when used w/ EZ
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'Sealants' tend to be different and less sensitive. In practice, sealants generally contains some or all of the same ingredients you find in glazes, plus something extra. I have long questioned people glazing and sealing. To my mind, if you need to do this, your sealant just isn't the best one for you.

You also have to keep in mind that not all glazes are actually glazes at all. There are numerous examples which are more like what you would expect from a sealant.

Coatings are another matter entirely.

2shiny said:
depends on what coating and glaze. You can use Wolf's Chemicals Shine & Glaze before applying Hard body as it leaves a good base for it.
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Hard body is not really like most other 'coatings'.
 
I think that, even after polishing, EZ Glaze adds a little something, before WGDGPS.

It only takes me 30 minutes to apply and wipe off.

Just an opinion.
 
SeaJay's said:
Only after proper curing has occurred. Which varies depending upon the coating.
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Hi Jason...

Would you consider the time it takes for the: proper curing of a 'Coating'...
to lie somewhere within the realm of its: total curing's time frame?

Thanks in advance for your viewpoints.

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
Hi Jason...

Would you consider the time it takes for the: proper curing of a 'Coating'...
to lie somewhere within the realm of its: total curing's time frame?

Thanks in advance for your viewpoints.

Bob
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Yes total cure time. At least that's what I think your getting at here.

So for example Opti-coat pro is chemical resistant after 24 hrs but the total curing time (or hardening) is 30 days. So, I would wait for the 30 days to be up before "glazing" it. As there is going to be some friction and abrasion with a glaze, even if it's minimal.
 
SeaJay's said:
Yes total cure time. At least that's what I think your getting at here.

So for example Opti-coat pro is chemical resistant after 24 hrs but the total curing time (or hardening) is 30 days. So, I would wait for the 30 days to be up before "glazing" it. As there is going to be some friction and abrasion with a glaze, even if it's minimal.
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Thanks.

That's along the lines that I was also thinking:
Let the 'Coatings' completely cure!!...(Before they start getting "touched").

Bob
 
The only thing I'd use before a coating would be a coating specific primer.
 
AeroCleanse said:
The only thing I'd use before a coating would be a coating specific primer.
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Aren't those "specific primers" just another way of saying that they're some 'Coating'-Brand's specific polishes?


Bob
 
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