Glaze.. Before or after sealant + wax?

[mrq0604]

Should glaze be applied before or after sealant/wax?

I've always known to apply glaze after sealant and wax because they won't bond to glazed surface.

But upon doing some search, it is recommended to apply before sealant and wax.

I already applied sealant and wax on my car (Klasse sealant + Collinite 845). Should I applied to the glaze on top of these products? Would there be any negative effects (sealant/wax stripping off, etc)

I have Griot's Garage Paint Glaze

Thanks in advance

 

[Dr Oldz]

Griots says b4 you use a wax or sealant. Glad you mentioned what product because the term “glaze” can be loosely interpreted. Not sure of the negative effects of putting it on after. My guess it will alter your current Lsp’s properties or maybe remove it period.

 

[mrq0604]

Griots says b4 you use a wax or sealant. Glad you mentioned what product because the term “glaze” can be loosely interpreted. Not sure of the negative effects of putting it on after. My guess it will alter your current Lsp’s properties or maybe remove it period.

Thanks for the reply

 

[KirkH]

Glaze is for car shows and lasts about 4 weeks at best. Its not magic. It is recommended to put the glaze on before the sealant. it can't hurt to put it on top, but i would probably top it with wax. It's all about how your car looks to you. I have discovered a lot of cool things by thinking outside the box, so don't be afraid to try it on top of your sealant and wax.

 

[mrq0604]

Glaze is for car shows and lasts about 4 weeks at best. Its not magic. It is recommended to put the glaze on before the sealant. it can't hurt to put it on top, but i would probably top it with wax. It's all about how your car looks to you. I have discovered a lot of cool things by thinking outside the box, so don't be afraid to try it on top of your sealant and wax.

Thanks for reply. Is there a reason why you would top the glaze with wax? Would it make last longer?

I already applied a coat of Klasse sealant. And then I topped it with a coat of Collinite 845.

Should I apply a coat of Griot's glaze, and top it with another coat of Collinite?

At the moment, I'm mostly worried about he glaze undoing he sealant and the wax I already applied....

 

[KirkH]

Thanks for reply. Is there a reason why you would top the glaze with wax? Would it make last longer?

I already applied a coat of Klasse sealant. And then I topped it with a coat of Collinite 845.

Should I apply a coat of Griot's glaze, and top it with another coat of Collinite?

At the moment, I'm mostly worried about he glaze undoing he sealant and the wax I already applied....

I think the glaze would last longer if it were topped with wax (or sealant). The glaze is not going to "undo" anything, It may interfere with the wax repelling water. You are not going to hurt anything though.

 

[mrq0604]

I think the glaze would last longer if it were topped with wax (or sealant). The glaze is not going to "undo" anything, It may interfere with the wax repelling water. You are not going to hurt anything though.

Thank you.

 

[mrq0604]

Is glaze something that is used often? Maybe even for weekend cars?

And does glaze really add noticeable shine or gloss?

 

[Markymapo1]

Why glaze? I am new to detailing and from what I have learned it doesn’t correct anything but hides them. It has a place in detailing for short term results. Can’t you correct what you are trying to hide? Glaze is totally new to me (thinking out loud); experiment and let us know how it turns out.

 

[mrq0604]

Why glaze? I am new to detailing and from what I have learned it doesn’t correct anything but hides them. It has a place in detailing for short term results. Can’t you correct what you are trying to hide? Glaze is totally new to me (thinking out loud); experiment and let us know how it turns out.

Yes, it supposedly adds extra shine and gloss, especially for show cars. And tbh, all the sealants and waxes claim to hide swirls to certain degrees.

I am confused right now because there are many conflicting accounts on when to apply glaze. I remember reading that glaze would be stripped off after one wash - hence the idea of applying glaze over sealant and wax

Now I'm reading many different opinions.... https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru.../30315-will-glaze-affect-sealant-bonding.html

 

[chet31]

Skip the glazes entirely. Polishes and machines are so good now, you don't need them. If you want some extra pop, buy a good finishing polish, something like Menzerna SF-3800. Use the effort you would spend applying a glaze and do some extra polishing instead. Then you won't need to worry about a glaze because there will be no defects to "hide." I never thought glazes did a good job hiding defects anyway.

 

[Eldorado2k]

I never thought glazes did a good job hiding defects anyway.

Think again... Check out what Meguiars #7 Show Car Glaze was able to hide.

Plus Megs Show Car Glaze adds more pop than any finishing polish could ever dream of achieving.

 

[Calendyr]

Glaze is for car shows and lasts about 4 weeks at best. Its not magic. It is recommended to put the glaze on before the sealant. it can't hurt to put it on top, but i would probably top it with wax. It's all about how your car looks to you. I have discovered a lot of cool things by thinking outside the box, so don't be afraid to try it on top of your sealant and wax.

Hum... does a glaze actually work if you apply it on top of a wax or sealant?

A glaze fills the micro scratches with a resin. If the surface is protected by a wax, how can it do that?

You should definatelly apply it before. But instead of doing this, why not correct the paint and remove the defects for good? I can understand the need for a glaze in some situations, but if you are using it on a regular basis, spending the time removing the swirls would be a much better solution.

 

[Calendyr]

Think again... Check out what Meguiars #7 Show Car Glaze was able to hide.

Plus Megs Show Car Glaze adds more pop than any finishing polish could ever dream of achieving.

Wow, that is pretty amazing. I have had a bottle of this stuff for 4 years and never used it once LOL. That is some serious filling ability!

Too bad it doesn't last.

 

[Eldorado2k]

if you are using it on a regular basis, spending the time removing the swirls would be a much better solution.

What if you have really soft paint that gets swirls after a few washes no matter how careful you try to be? If you could get the filling capabilities of a glaze to last 1-3 months, wouldn’t that be smarter than correcting and polishing away your clearcoat every 3 months? I think so, but maybe it’s just me. 99% of the detailing community is of the belief #7 is completely useless on clearcoat, but those pics I just posted prove otherwise.

I’m thinking about doing a longterm experiment with a glaze on black paint.. I just need to find a willing guiniea pig that has some swirls to hide.

 

[Audi Rick]

I've tried #7 a few times and never thought it did anything special to the paint. Heck I even tried it on the hood of my Kubota tractor.
Then again I've never used it on paint that bad. To me it was just another wax.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

The real problem now days is the word "glaze" is used interchangeably with the words polish and sealant.


A true glaze is a body shop product used to mask swirls from shoddy buffing work. In the real world, a person would actually create a nice finish and then they would not have to use a glaze to hide swirls.


Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is NOT a glaze but a fine cut polish.

There's a product called Race Glaze which is not a glaze but a sealant.


It would probably be best to specify the exact brand of "glaze" when asking about a glaze and then maybe someone on here will know what the heck the product actually is or is not.


:laughing:


Me? I never uses glazes for detailing projects outside of #7 for restoring antique, single stage paint that is important to me or the owner. Outside of that it's one of these,

Compound
Polish
AIO

 

[mrq0604]

Is filling the only capability that glaze offers? Is this how glaze achieves extra shine and gloss?

I've known glaze can add show-car appearance but didn't know it achieves that by hiding swirls....

 

[Desertnate]

Is filling the only capability that glaze offers? Is this how glaze achieves extra shine and gloss?

I've known glaze can add show-car appearance but didn't know it achieves that by hiding swirls....

As far as I know the very definition of a glaze is a product which fills in defects. Shiny paint comes from the removal of defects and is only enhanced with a wax, sealant or coating. A glaze temporarlily creates the same results by filling in and masking any defects in the paint.

I used to use glazes like Poorboys Blackhole or Prima Amigo in the fall and would top it with a good sealant. I knew full well it woudn't correct the paint, but that was by design. I was simply improving the shine on the cars to carry them through winter until I could give them a proper polishing in the spring.

 

[DBAILEY]

FK1 had a spray glaze that was used on top of your wax or sealant. It had pretty decent protection. The Danase or Detail Shoppe Wet Glaze could be used on top but they were acrylic based glazes and not the oily type.

Poorboys Blackhole and Prima Amigo are the one's that I will use. Megs #7 on SS paints. I also have the AF Ultra Glaze which probably has the best hiding ability of the glazes I have tried. You can not polish every car that comes your way despite everyone's claims. Sometimes you need to use a glaze if the CC is too thin or on its last legs.

Many glazes will have some type of cleaning component to them which makes putting them on top of your wax or sealant not wise