Glaze before sealant/wax-definitive answer

[Selvos]

There is so much misinformation about this topic around the net that it's nearly impossible to understand what the real answer is.

Some people say definitively that you cannot apply a glaze before a sealant/wax as it will not allow the sealant/wax to bond properly.

Others say that, yes you can...it can even help bonding. (wow a complete opposite statement!)

Then there are those who claim that you must mix the glaze with the sealant first.

These are vast and wide ranging answers to something that shouldn't be so hard.

I've used glazes before sealants/waxes which didn't seem to have an adverse effect. Yet could it be because of how they were used? or what was used? or what moon phase it was?

I think after all of this confusion I've come to a conclusion that I'm sticking with:

It is all about the products being used. It has to be based on the individual situation. To determine whether or not a glaze can or should be used before a sealant/wax, you must find out if product A and product B are meant to work together.

Of course this would be easy if there were only a couple products out there...but what about product F and product W and product C9L? This is where a couple possibilities arise.

First, Contact the manufacturer, talk with a chemist (if you can) and ask them straight up. But usually they will only know about their companies specific product lines, and will not know if other brands are compatible.

Second, determine what is in each product. Some waxes and sealants contain oils, much like glazes, that help with viscosity and appearance.

Third, experiment and post your results...

...which is what I'm going to do.

I have Megs #7 show car glaze and Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant. Haven't used them together yet, but I know #7 is a pure glaze. We'll see how it goes.

Topping WDGPS with either collinite 845 or Liquid Souveran.


If anyone has any recommendations, let me know. Thanks.

 

[runrun411]

IMO. Although glazes produce a great shine, I wouldn't want to run the risk of the sealant not bonding. So I would just polish a really good shine and go to sealant without glaze.

 

[wompasaurus]

i think i saw a thread about this before but i dont buy it. glazes have fillers which fill in light swirls. so you cant put them over a wax or sealant as they will disappear with the first wash. I've use 3 different glazes and apply a wax after i use them on my vehicle of choice and have never had a issue with bonding. and or with the length the wax lasts. a glaze is not a protection for the paint thats why its followed with a wax. also glazes are supposed to help wax bond to the paint better.

 

[parttimer]

I was told you need to seal the glaze otherwise it goes away. So when I used to use a glaze I always waxed over it. I was a Meg show car glaze fanatic, then topped with yellow wax.

 

[Desertnate]

I did the same as many here before I went with the Klasse Twins.

I would hit the car with a glaze to spruce up the shine a bit, and then wax over the top of it to add the protection for the paint. I never saw any adverse effects.

I would agree that some products are more touchy than others on what you layer with. I've been led to believe Klasse is one of those. Others here seem to have almost limitless different combos of products that they layer up with no ill effect.

 

[willtothewong]

I would imagine that the same manufacturer of both glaze and wax would be the best combo.

For example, I use auto finesse tripple, then use one of their carnauba waxes. I believe I've read from their UK site that tripple, even with filling capabilities, actually help their waxes bond even better than a naked paint surface.

They even sell a pre-sealant type product which goes hand in hand with their traditional and spray sealant.

Lastly, glazes like poorboys black hole should, should be ok under a layer of their waxes since their chemists would assume people often like to keep products "in the family". Of course I'm just guessing but that logic makes the most sense to me.

I could be 100% wrong.

 

[Larry A]

Mostly I use DG 105 or 501 . When I have a dark color to do and I think that a glaze will improve it I follow with Collinite.476.

 

[peter hurcos]

OPs post is anything but definitive. Sure. Like a chemist (assuming they even have one) is going to come to the phone and talk to some random guy who is thinking about spending $25 on their product. Besides, how is he even supposed to know? "Do you know if your EZ Creme glaze bonds well with Dodo Supernatural acrylic sealant?" Chemist: "Yes, it does, just be sure you don't mix our Wet Finish Gloss Magnifier with Einzett selant."

I think we all have to rely on trial and error. My operating assumption is that you put down the glaze and then top with the sealant and then keep your fingers crossed. Enough people have reported good results that way that I'm encouraged. Besides, small differences in application might make big differences in bonding. They guy who applies the sealant right away might be better or worse off than the guy who waits.

 

[poko]

What is a definition of glaze? I am confused because famous Zymol calls their product glaze which most of the people think as wax.

 

[cmoneyinc]

Glaze first, then sealant or wax. Or even all three if desired, but always in this order: 1. Glaze 2. Sealant 3. Wax

 

[yankees2452]

What is a definition of glaze? I am confused because famous Zymol calls their product glaze which most of the people think as wax.

Im no professional but from what i have read this is what i could put together. A glaze is usually a pure polish with no cleaning ability. They usually last a few days and are popular for show cars as they help to hide blemishes and has a darkening affect on black paint. Glazes are best used on ss paint as ss paint is porous and can absorb the moisturizing oils from the glaze and help to moisturize the paint and make the color more vibrant. I use meguiars show car glaze every once in a while on my black car with cc paint to add some gloss. I usually top with meguiars ultimate wax and as far as I can tell the sealant is bonding fine.

 

[FullAttn2Detail]

This discussion helps as I also felt glazes were just useless chemical compounds that just masked and hid swirls and scratches. I purchased some Meguiars show car glaze and can't wait to test it out. I use Wolfgang 3.0 sealant all the time and as a wax I use Pinnacle or the purple CG Hybrid stuff that smells like grape laffy taffy.

 

[HateSwirls]

I always glaze first then seal.
IMO the glaze last much longer and no ill effects with the sealant bonding.
I just love the CG'S EZ Cream Glazewith acrylic , no smearing after its removed so it tells me it has a good bond.
Who knows,I may be wrong but it works for me?:dblthumb2:

 

[BillE]

I've used Meguiar's 7 and/or 5 (depending on humidity) for many years. Using it under Meguiar's 'waxes', never had a problem.

Can't address how things will work out with other manufactures waxes, but from what I read...there should NOT be a problem.

My 2¢...

Bill

 

[VP Mark]

I've never believed that putting something underneath a sealant will not be detrimental to its durability. Everyone always talks about how the paint has to be 100% polish residue free before putting on an LSP but if you put your LSP over a glaze that is OK?

I'll take a clean surface for an LSP personally. If you correct and prep properly a glaze will not add that much to your overall look anyway.

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[FUNX650]

OPs post is anything but definitive.

^^^

^^^

And as far as glazes and "bonding" goes:

My good friend, Tom aka Mosca as he's known on detailing discussion forums, once posted,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosca:
I've never walked out into a garage only to find out that overnight the wax or paint sealant I applied slipped off the car's paint
and piled-up on the floor surrounding the car because it didn't bond or stick to the paint.

I would have to agree with Tom.

^^^And I have to agree with both of these Gentlemen!!^^^

I've used Meguiar's 7 and/or 5 (depending on humidity) for many years. Using it under Meguiar's 'waxes', never had a problem.

Can't address how things will work out with other manufactures waxes, but from what I read...there should NOT be a problem.

My 2¢...

Bill

I've done the same as you have Bill.
I've even used 3M IHG prior-to/"under" M26 and even prior-to/"under" my most expensive LSP: Pinnacle Sig. Series II!!

I've also enjoyed the ease of M21 2.0's application atop many glazes as well.
I could go on and on and on...

OH...One other point:
Glazes have saved many a CC from an early demise, by not having it be: overly abraded.



Bob

 

[mdgrwl]

^^ Yeah, it might not "fall on the floor" right after you wax... but what about after a few washes? Think duribility is the same ???

I don't.

 

[FUNX650]

^^ Yeah, it might not "fall on the floor" right after you wax... but what about after a few washes? Think duribility is the same ???

I don't.

But of course, everyone is entitled to think anyway they want to,
when the subject matter is "glazes".

Bob

 

[Audios S6]

There are so many different glaze variations that there will never be a definitive answer, except perhaps coatings and brand specific multiple-step processes.

With coatings, glaze after coating, period.

I will only glaze after waxing/sealing and only to add to the look before a show and only with a true glaze (no cleaners).

If glaze were applied first, any carrier solvent from wax or sealant could remove a glaze/fillers. A cleaner wax will likely remove it aswell. The glaze may also affect bonding, I'm not risking it.

If wax is applied first, anything more than a pure glaze will remove the wax. Any carrier solvents in the glaze would likely affect the wax/sealant as well. It may not remove the wax/sealant entirely, but it will have some affect..

If the glaze is part of a treatment process by a single manufacturer, you can be pretty sure that it will play well with the other steps in the process.

 

[Infiniti]

I always glaze first then seal.
IMO the glaze last much longer and no ill effects with the sealant bonding.
I just love the CG'S EZ Cream Glazewith acrylic , no smearing after its removed so it tells me it has a good bond.
Who knows,I may be wrong but it works for me?:dblthumb2:

I also really like EZ-Crème Glaze. The first time I polished then went for my sealant and it didn't take. I read up and EZ-Crème Glaze was recommended for a good base for a sealant. I tried it out and it worked great.