Glazes & Jewels = Waste of time

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Glazes and Jeweling Polishes. What are your guy's thoughts on these two types of products?

I feel like these 2 are the most useless products, especially jeweling polishes. Why?

Glazes provide little to no correction, but they do fill in defects to some degree. But if you are going to be glazing, why wouldn't you just hit it with m205, menzerna 4000, or a single step with menzerna 2500 or sonax pf and get much more correction while finishing the same? Ok, on the rare occasion you do cars like Mike and need to rejuvenate some old paint over night, a glaze might be necessary.

As far as my experience goes, jeweling does nothing noticeable to the naked eye. I have asked several high end detailers if they can honestly tell the difference of jeweling as the 3rd polishing step, and they tell me no. The client just wants to do a 3rd step so they do it.

I've also seen people do some 3 step corrections using FG400, 2500, 4000. Why do the 2500? the 4000 is more than capable of removing the littlest haze FG400 leaves behind. Hell I've done a 1 step with FG400, this stuff finishes amazing on hard paints.

Anyway, there's my little rant. What do you guys think?

Regards,

Will
 
Willy Wang said:
What do you guys think?

Will
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Thanks for this thought provoking thread, Will!!
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"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"...Or is it just manipulation?


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IMHO:
Just as folks usually have options in other facets of their lives (food, shelter, clothing, spouse, vehicles)...
Similarly...By choosing (I'll go as far as saying):
To allegedly further refine a vehicle's paint by Jeweling is what I consider further affirmation
of the old adage: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

Now...I really don't want to immediately include Glazes in that affirmation...That is:
Not until the clear-coat paint's age, thickness, and other erosion factors have been determined.

Otherwise...I'll be the first to admit that Glazes impart an unexplainable radiance to my vehicles' paints!!
They're "Beauties"---I tell ya---one and all!!
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A Beauty-Riddle:
In a Land where no one is known to have eyes...
Would the one-eyed Man be King?

What if "He" wore a dress and a bustle?
Or was that: Everything He did, was done with a great deal of bustle?


Bob
 
I can see a noticeable difference on piano black paint when finishing with CarPro Reflect vs something like M205. I get a deeper, richer, darker reflection with zero haze even with your nose touching the paint. So I don't think it's a total waste of time if someone wants the absolute best possible finish quality.
 
I don't use jeweling polish.
Glaze is a favorite of mine tho. It's quick and easy and makes a car look great right before car shows by filling in minor swirls and adding a nice shine. It has no abrasives so that's a plus for people that don't want to remove a bit of clear coat. I wouldn't say it's a waste it has it's place.


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I have zero desire to jewel my paint on my daily driven silverado. Waste of time IMO. If I had a Black Caddy CTS-V then yes, id probably make the time for it.

Glazes are nice but I do not use them very often anymore. When I had my torch red z06 I used glaze quite often and made the paint pop. Plus glazes are good to use a day before a car show etc.
 
I hear people doing the fg400, 2500 then 4000 but I see no point on the second step. Fg400, 4000, beer. Is a good 3 step polish. I don't use glazes or anything with fillers either. I do see a purpose for glazes but just not for the vehicles I work on
 
I don't use glazes, but I do jewel from time to time. In fact, I just jeweled my wife's 2010 Camaro last weekend. Is the difference really noticeable when you already have a great finish from a good polish? I don't notice a lot, if any, difference in the garage with the naked eye. IMO when the car is out in the sun the shine is deeper. Could I look at a car and say this one was jeweled and that one wasn't..NO, but I truly believe there is a bit of difference and that is good enough for me on certain cars. After all, what is the purpose of jeweling? It is intended to get that last little bit of shine out of what is already an almost perfect finish. Can you put a measurement on the "last little bit of shine"?
 
Willy Wang said:
Glazes and Jeweling Polishes. What are your guy's thoughts on these two types of products?

I feel like these 2 are the most useless products, especially jeweling polishes. Why?

Glazes provide little to no correction, but they do fill in defects to some degree. But if you are going to be glazing, why wouldn't you just hit it with m205, menzerna 4000, or a single step with menzerna 2500 or sonax pf and get much more correction while finishing the same? Ok, on the rare occasion you do cars like Mike and need to rejuvenate some old paint over night, a glaze might be necessary.

As far as my experience goes, jeweling does nothing noticeable to the naked eye. I have asked several high end detailers if they can honestly tell the difference of jeweling as the 3rd polishing step, and they tell me no. The client just wants to do a 3rd step so they do it.

I've also seen people do some 3 step corrections using FG400, 2500, 4000. Why do the 2500? the 4000 is more than capable of removing the littlest haze FG400 leaves behind. Hell I've done a 1 step with FG400, this stuff finishes amazing on hard paints.

Anyway, there's my little rant. What do you guys think?

Regards,

Will
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It depends on the products, pads, passes and paint hardness...

One could be really surprised what can happen with Finishing polishes like M205 and WG Finishing Glaze with the right pads and technique...

It can make a rather large noticeable difference depending....
 
Have you ever tried CG'S EZ Cream Glaze?
Use it after you polish and tell me you don't see a difference and you'll then post saying it did make a big difference:)
This glaze leaves the paint very shiny and slick.
Works for me.
Now I know there are better glazes out there but this one works just fine for me, and being its acrylic you can apply most sealants right over the glaze for even more shine.
 
I never use Glazes not a fan of fillers at all. I only use a jeweling polish show cars mostly thats because most people are not willing to pay for it.
 
All of those products have good use in the right situation. Detailing regular cars for $$$ may not always be the right situation. As for UF polishes, today's compounds can finish so close to LSP ready, an UF polish may be all that is needed to make it perfect.
 
I don't use a glaze for hiding defects, I remove all defects then apply the EZ Cream Glaze.
When I want my paint to pop without waxing the glaze does the trick.
It works for me and that's all that counts. :dblthumb2:
Find something you love and stick with it.



Pureshine said:
I never use Glazes not a fan of fillers at all. I only use a jeweling polish show cars mostly thats because most people are not willing to pay for it.
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Is jeweling a waste? Maybe on lighter colors, but black you may be able to tell a little.
It's a waste to jewel a daily driver..Maybe not a weekend warrior or show car though.
 
I don't see glaze coming into the conversation when it's about "jewelling".

Will I do a multi-step with a compound, medium polish, and fine polish? Yep! Do I NEED to do it? Nope! Do I do it very often, or unless it's for my own vehicle OR someone is paying extra? Uhhhhh, NO FREAKING WAY! :laughing:

As for Menz 400 to 4000 without anything in between. I'd rather go from 400 to 2500 and not even use 4000. When you think that the longer you work 2500 the finer it gets, and on hard paint 4000 really isn't going to work but a few seconds at best before breaking down, AND that I've done total corrections with 1500..... jus' sayin'. ;)

OTOH, throw me the 205 then if you want a little 'extra' then it's Megs UP (on hard paint) and 4000 (on soft).


Glaze, that's for when you really don't want to buff it, the guy wants it 'shiny' and it's NOT going to be getting any moisture. Weekend car shows, or if it's going to Summit Racing to sit on display (on the merry go round) are a couple good places where that comes into play.

Well that and when I'm just too lazy to buff and it's in between polishing and it's only to fill in/cover up minor swirls. (All goes away as soon as it's washed though.) ;)
 
Lol try running a 3-7 day car show without a glaze! Jeweling polish waste of money? Every product has it's place. It's all just down to how you use it. If you are using a glaze to other a "full correction" or hide the halos, then it's not right. Jeweling polishes. If a customer wants it, I will do it with pleasure. More $$$
 
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Lol try running a 3-7 day car show without a glaze! Jeweling polish waste of money? Every product has it's place. It's all just down to how you use it. If you are using a glaze to other a "full correction" or hide the halos, then it's not right. Jeweling polishes. If a customer wants it, I will do it with pleasure. More $$$
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I agree.

Every product has its place and IMO you should have both on your shelf. You may not need them every time but at one point they could be useful. Just as Andrew pointed out above.
 
Cool guys! Good feedback! I've just tried glazes a few times but it just didn't do anything for me, probably because I had my paint corrected pretty well. As for jeweling, I've honestly never tried it. I just asked people's opinions and from these responses it seems to be the same. I do have 2 bottles of CG blacklight so I'll keep those around for special cases.
 
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