Graphene Coating Attracting Dust Issues?

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Question for anyone ever had this issue before be it from Ceramic or Graphene Coatings.

First of all, I've been applying ceramic coatings since 2015, tried the best brands in the business, and multiple Autogeek sponsored ceramic products and never had any issues or whatsoever.
That is until a month ago I traveled to Wyoming from Colorado to do a red Ford Raptor. This weekend the owner contacted me to tell me every time he washes the Raptor it attracts dust.
I told him I've never run into that issue before, but I will do my due diligence by calling the manufacturer and checking reviews online. I did not find any evidence of anybody having this issue with the product. He didn't seem to be convinced or happy with my findings.
I told him I was going to give him his money back and to fix the problem I'll be buffing the Graphene off. So basically, he will get his truck back polished but no protection. Better looking than what I first got from him.
I do this as a hobby, been doing this since 2005, and when I run into liability issues like this, it's time to hang it up, and just stick with my regulars or close friends.

Now that my ranting is over; has any of you had issues with a product attracting dust? BTW, I never had this issue with this particular brand, it's one of my favorites, durable, and my customers rave about it.
 
Before going too far, I'd consider the environment. If there is dust and dirt in the air because it is windy and the farm fields have been havested/turned, then dust will land on the vehicle. Nothing can prevent that other than keeping the vehicle indoors all the time. At certian times of the year, I've watched pollen, dust, or even tiny bits of debris from the crops being harvested collect on my cars while I'm drying them! It's frustrating, but impossible to avoid.

The difference, in my experience, between a coated and a sealed/waxed vehicle is how easily the dust is removed. A light layer may partially blow off or get rinsed off by a light rain or snow. Heavier accumulations come off almost effortlessly with a quick wash.
 
I commend your accountability going above and beyond to stand by your work and make it up to the customer. I’ve never had to go that far but I’ve definitely had a few close calls to where if I had failed it would’ve been done at zero cost to the customer.

However in this case I think you’re being a bit too hard on yourself… If you’re going to go back there and polish the coating off, then you might as well apply Something, anything instead of leaving it looking good but bare. Nobody wins in that situation.

Even if you were to apply the absolute bare minimum protection aka a spray sealant it would result in a better outcome for both parties. Meaning he’s not left completely hanging and you’re not left without any compensation.

I suggest you apply something that doesn’t require as much time while at the same time providing decent protection [2-3 months] and in return you maybe change it to a significant discount for the trouble. If you can walk away with half or at least 1/3rd. of what you originally charged him it’s alot better than nothing. You did good honest work. Don’t cheat yourself by being TOO loyal.
 
Eldorado2k said:
I commend your accountability going above and beyond to stand by your work and make it up to the customer. I’ve never had to go that far but I’ve definitely had a few close calls to where if I had failed it would’ve been done at zero cost to the customer.

However in this case I think you’re being a bit too hard on yourself… If you’re going to go back there and polish the coating off, then you might as well apply Something, anything instead of leaving it looking good but bare. Nobody wins in that situation.

Even if you were to apply the absolute bare minimum protection aka a spray sealant it would result in a better outcome for both parties. Meaning he’s not left completely hanging and you’re not left without any compensation.

I suggest you apply something that doesn’t require as much time while at the same time providing decent protection [2-3 months] and in return you maybe change it to a significant discount for the trouble. If you can walk away with half or at least 1/3rd. of what you originally charged him it’s alot better than nothing. You did good honest work. Don’t cheat yourself by being TOO loyal.
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He was actually saying that his brother got his truck coated in North Dakota from another shop. I think he's kind of leaning towards that option. I'm going to remove the graphene to isolate the peoblem, that way if he gets it tcoated somewhere else, he could tell whether it was the coating, or him expecting something else.
 
Flash Gordon said:
Graphene = Garbage Coatings
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Yes, and not. There are very few authentic Graphene Coatings in the market.
There are quite a few companies selling "Graphene" by name only, with zero visual of any graphite in it. The real Graphene coatings are usually dark, and not crystal clear. I like this particular product because it's delivered for me, after trying out other brands, this one stands out.
EPIC® Pro+ Ceramic Coating with Graphene.
 
I hear you.

Btw what’s the coating you’re referring to in this thread?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Wow, that's a Malco product? And good luck on the merging.
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Malco makes solid products. The regular ceramic is incredible, they have a long lasting protection and shines beautifully. It’s my favorite ceramic coating and trust me, I’ve tried dozens of them.
 
I recall the days when I moderated on Autopia. We would merge threads no problem.
 
Z06-Goose said:
Yes, and not. There are very few authentic Graphene Coatings in the market.
There are quite a few companies selling "Graphene" by name only, with zero visual of any graphite in it. The real Graphene coatings are usually dark, and not crystal clear.
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I’m not too sure about this. I watched a two hour podcast on the benefits of graphene and for starters, none of these coatings are graphene. They contain reduced graphene oxide but are marketed as graphene coatings because reduced graphene oxide ceramic coating just doesn’t have a marketable ring to it. As far as the color, that’s fake as well. The graphene oxide is in suspension and is clear but deactivated graphene is added to give it the dark appearance, another marketing trick. I’m not saying graphene coatings don’t work. My first “real” coating was a graphene one but I didn’t find it any better than regular ceramic coatings.
 
Optimus Grime said:
I’m not too sure about this. I watched a two hour podcast on the benefits of graphene and for starters, none of these coatings are graphene. They contain reduced graphene oxide but are marketed as graphene coatings because reduced graphene oxide ceramic coating just doesn’t have a marketable ring to it. As far as the color, that’s fake as well. The graphene oxide is in suspension and is clear but deactivated graphene is added to give it the dark appearance, another marketing trick. I’m not saying graphene coatings don’t work. My first “real” coating was a graphene one but I didn’t find it any better than regular ceramic coatings.
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Graphene, the way it’s been marketed you may look at it as the bigger brother of the nano ceramic coatings -longer lasting and stronger.

Two years or so ago, Dr.Beasley was working on developing a graphene coating. It’s on YouTube, I’m away from home if I have time later, I would look up that video and post it. Anyway, in that video Dr.Beasley talks about how difficult it is to develop graphene for his line of product and he went on to explain in details the process.
Now, why am I saying this?
Well, my first impression was that it looked like a complicated process, then I started to wonder how’s everybody is now offering Graphene. It makes you wonder, doesn’t it? Especially since to my knowledge Dr. Beasley has not launched any graphene coatings into the market. Maybe he has, I haven’t looked it up lately.

In conclusion, I’m with you, you have to do your own due diligence when looking at the graphene industry.
 
Z06-Goose said:
In conclusion, I’m with you, you have to do your own due diligence when looking at the graphene industry.
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What I get from all of this Graphene stuff is:

1. Current technology does not allow for any fundamentally significant level of true Graphene to be incorporated into a coating. And given anecdotal mentions of Graphene in commercial/industrial applications, incorporating true advances in the technology into a glass-bottle coating would be prohibitively expensive if even possible.

2. Any real or perceived benefits of a graphene coating have very little (if anything) to do with any trace amount of graphene in it.

3. The functional foundation of any graphene coating is basically the same as a ceramic, likely Siloxane/Polysiloxane/Polydimethylsiloxane (PDMS) or Polysilazanes.

So if we bake a ‘Graphene Coating Cake’ the cake batter itself is the same as if we baked a ‘Ceramic Coating Cake’ and the graphene in the cake is not significant enough to even be considered the frosting on the cake but rather merely the handful of ‘sprinkles’ on top of the frosting on top of the cake. Maybe.

I kinda view it as using a ceramic coating that for some reason has an extra word on the label, and merely taking up space on that label is likely the greatest visible contribution ‘graphene’ *currently* makes to the overall satisfaction. That said, given all other factors being equal w/ any particular ‘graphene’ coating vs a favored ceramic, perhaps look at it like the oft-debated use of a foam cannon…it doesn’t hurt and maybe, just maybe, it would help to have the graphene in there…IF the positive aspects of it (real or perceived) fit your particular situation. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances!

Methinks just because it says `graphene` on the label doesnt make it a bad product but perhaps merely a questionably marketed one. The graphene coating I had on my car was very good overall, had some great attributes…but not due to the graphene IMO. That aspect of it (graphene and waterspots) didn`t pan out but it was otherwise a solid performer, quite good actually.

And for me, that`s what is kinda sad about the current graphene landscape; sensationalist marketing is gonna drag down some otherwise good products just because they have the world `graphene` on the label.

Another aspect that is worth noting (to me, anyway) is the lack of graphene in the catalogs of coating ‘heavy hitters’ such as CarPro, Gyeon, Feynlab, Optimum and Gtechniq, some of whom have openly questioned the value of graphene given it’s manufacturing limitations at this time.

Interesting topic for sure.


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BudgetPlan1 said:
What I get from all of this Graphene stuff is:

1. Current technology does not allow for any fundamentally significant level of true Graphene to be incorporated into a coating. And given anecdotal mentions of Graphene in commercial/industrial applications, incorporating true advances in the technology into a glass-bottle coating would be prohibitively expensive if even possible.

2. Any real or perceived benefits of a graphene coating have very little (if anything) to do with any trace amount of graphene in it.

3. The functional foundation of any graphene coating is basically the same as a ceramic, likely Siloxane/Polysiloxane/Polydimethylsiloxane (PDMS) or Polysilazanes.

So if we bake a ‘Graphene Coating Cake’ the cake batter itself is the same as if we baked a ‘Ceramic Coating Cake’ and the graphene in the cake is not significant enough to even be considered the frosting on the cake but rather merely the handful of ‘sprinkles’ on top of the frosting on top of the cake. Maybe.

I kinda view it as using a ceramic coating that for some reason has an extra word on the label, and merely taking up space on that label is likely the greatest visible contribution ‘graphene’ *currently* makes to the overall satisfaction. That said, given all other factors being equal w/ any particular ‘graphene’ coating vs a favored ceramic, perhaps look at it like the oft-debated use of a foam cannon…it doesn’t hurt and maybe, just maybe, it would help to have the graphene in there…IF the positive aspects of it (real or perceived) fit your particular situation. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances!

Methinks just because it says `graphene` on the label doesnt make it a bad product but perhaps merely a questionably marketed one. The graphene coating I had on my car was very good overall, had some great attributes…but not due to the graphene IMO. That aspect of it (graphene and waterspots) didn`t pan out but it was otherwise a solid performer, quite good actually.

And for me, that`s what is kinda sad about the current graphene landscape; sensationalist marketing is gonna drag down some otherwise good products just because they have the world `graphene` on the label.

Another aspect that is worth noting (to me, anyway) is the lack of graphene in the catalogs of coating ‘heavy hitters’ such as CarPro, Gyeon, Feynlab, Optimum and Gtechniq, some of whom have openly questioned the value of graphene given it’s manufacturing limitations at this time.

Interesting topic for sure.


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^^ I told him to say all of this.^^. :laughing:

Kidding aside, you nailed it on this one my friend.

Whenever something becomes too popular, you have the fringe outliers trying to "one-up" the proven products with outlandish claims and/or advertising.

Graphene is a Gimmick.
 
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I work in the mattress industry and we see a lot of this. Actually in most marketing you will see this same sensationalism.

There are ALOT of buzzwords here but this mattress is $600 not a lot for a mattress especially for a product supporting 2,people for 8 hours a night everyday.

It probably won’t perform better or worse than other $600 mattress’s

But it has words that are used in more expensive mattress’s and priced more expensive but it is on sale for 40% off. It probably never sells for full price… I would bet it was marked up to be marked down and that the profit margin is very similar to most retail products. That 40% off is not real…

Just how things are sold nowadays.


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