Griots 3 in 1 not lasting?

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I'm having an issue with Griots 3 in 1 ceramic spray not lasting, 4 weeks and it's completely gone on the hood and roof of my truck.

This spring I did my first ever correction using 3d speed. I used carpro eraser after using speed because I wanted a clean surface for the 3n1. I did 2 coats of 3n1 12 hours apart. After about 3 to 4 washes with Optimum car wash I notice the water on the hood/roof stopped beading/sheeting completely. Also I notice the maple tree that I park under was leaving a tiny specs on the surface too. So I assumed that might be the cause. So I washed clayed and applied 3n1 again but tried to park further away from the tree but still getting some specs. However same results in a few weeks time. Then I tried my trusty collinite 845 and had the same results. At this point I gave up for a couple months.

Fast forward to one week ago, the tree has stopped dropping anything so I decided to try it again. Washed and apply 2 more coats of 3n1 and last week. Then truck went back to the dealer for some warranty work so it wasn't parked under the tree at all. So 7 days after applying 3n1 I washed the truck. The water while initial rinsing was beading and sheeting great but I didn't take a pic. But below is a pic after the wash. The beads are much larger and now have some water sitting in the middle of the hood. So it looks like I'm on the path of it not lasting again and I'm at a loss.

I have been using soften hot water in the wash buckets and rinsing with hard well water. The truck does sit outside 24/7. I will note that I also used 3n1 on the wifes Highlander this spring and it's starting to get pretty weak on the hood but still much better than on my truck. However her car is garaged and I've washed it less times and have used ONR some on it instead of all bucket washes.

Any ideas on what might be going on?
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Sorry for 3 posts in a row. This truck is also new to me. It's 2 years old and don't know what the previous owner used but it was buttery smooth and large beads of water when washed. However it was swirled pretty bad and I think it was because of the tunnel wash the dealer used where I bought it.
 
Maybe a chemical and/or mechanical decon is in order, also strong pH pre-wash or 2BM wash

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Try a better product? I find most spray sealants im happy with for only about 2 months.

Give CanCoat a try.


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If it's not lasting a month, I think there was likely something wrong with the process or something that prevented it to bond.

If you strip it off again or have no protection currently I'd use Can Coat. You'll be much happier with that.
 
ws6guy said:
I'm having an issue with Griots 3 in 1 ceramic spray not lasting, 4 weeks and it's completely gone on the hood and roof of my truck.

This spring I did my first ever correction using 3d speed. I used carpro eraser after using speed because I wanted a clean surface for the 3n1. I did 2 coats of 3n1 12 hours apart. After about 3 to 4 washes with Optimum car wash I notice the water on the hood/roof stopped beading/sheeting completely. Also I notice the maple tree that I park under was leaving a tiny specs on the surface too. So I assumed that might be the cause. So I washed clayed and applied 3n1 again but tried to park further away from the tree but still getting some specs. However same results in a few weeks time. Then I tried my trusty collinite 845 and had the same results. At this point I gave up for a couple months.

Fast forward to one week ago, the tree has stopped dropping anything so I decided to try it again. Washed and apply 2 more coats of 3n1 and last week. Then truck went back to the dealer for some warranty work so it wasn't parked under the tree at all. So 7 days after applying 3n1 I washed the truck. The water while initial rinsing was beading and sheeting great but I didn't take a pic. But below is a pic after the wash. The beads are much larger and now have some water sitting in the middle of the hood. So it looks like I'm on the path of it not lasting again and I'm at a loss.

I have been using soften hot water in the wash buckets and rinsing with hard well water. The truck does sit outside 24/7. I will note that I also used 3n1 on the wifes Highlander this spring and it's starting to get pretty weak on the hood but still much better than on my truck. However her car is garaged and I've washed it less times and have used ONR some on it instead of all bucket washes.

Any ideas on what might be going on?
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Did you clay the vehicle with a clay bar thoroughly beforehand ?
 
It was clayed and polished this spring before the 1st application. The subsequent applications no. I've thought about can coat but I also like quick easy processes as I don't have a lot of time to devote to detailing.

If it wasn't collinte not lasting either I'd write off the product. I am probably going a little heavy on application. The bottle is almost gone and I've applied it to the truck 3 times, wife's car once, and my other car once. I'm spraying a microfiber towel to use for the application and then wiping off shortly after without much dwell time. I've noticed that the product never really feels slick after application, maybe just a touch slicker than a freshly clay bared panel.

For giggles this weekend I tried some TurtleWax HSCW on the wife's car and it seems to produce a much slicker surface. I notice that I had to work smaller sections than 3in1 or the HSCW was too hard to buff out.
 
Since 3D Speed is an AIO that contains a wax sealant, maybe the freshly applied wax sealant in the 3D Speed was not completely removed by the Carpro Eraser. As a result, the GG 3-in-1 could not bond properly to the paint. Perhaps try a polish that contains no sealants.

I have used GG 3-in-1 and have found that its durability is about 6-8 months.

Good luck.
Joe
 
joebruin77 said:
Since 3D Speed is an AIO that contains a wax sealant, maybe the freshly applied wax sealant in the 3D Speed was not completely removed by the Carpro Eraser. As a result, the GG 3-in-1 could not bond properly to the paint. Perhaps try a polish that contains no sealants.

I have used GG 3-in-1 and have found that its durability is about 6-8 months.

Good luck.
Joe
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Good point. I think this is likely the problem.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Try a better product? I find most spray sealants im happy with for only about 2 months.
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This has been my experience as well. Griots 3-in-1 lasted me about 4~6 weeks. I've not been very impressed with the product. I can go twice as long with TW Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating, but even then it's no where near what I'd get out of a traditional liquid sealant and a far distant cry from what you get out of a high-solids coating. HOWEVER...I know going in a spray sealant is going to be short-lived and have specific uses for them. Normally as a stop-gap until I can apply something better.
 
That's good to hear on the TWHSC since I just bought some and have the wet wax on order for a drying aid.

Guess I'll also looking into Cancoat as well.
 
Definitely give cancoat a try. Application is super simple. Looks great and lasts.


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I would add you could also be having an Optimum problem.

I quit using ONR after finding the car had more issues with road film bonding than before I started using it. While I like it for certain applications, overall I've thought it a bit over-hyped.

If I remember correctly, I think Desertnate also noticed Optimum Car Wash not playing well with his coated cars.

While the Griot's 3 in 1 isn't known for it's insane beading, I still had signs of life on the horizontal sections after a MN winter. You could see on the sides where it was compromised from bonded contaminants, but it would still bead and show some protection on the hood and roof.
 
I think 3 in 1 is a bit overhyped, but it's more known for its durability than great beading. If you're only getting one month out of it, I have to assume something went wrong in the process. Did you shake the bottle?
 
oneheadlite said:
If I remember correctly, I think Desertnate also noticed Optimum Car Wash not playing well with his coated cars.
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It either leaves something behind that clogs the coating or it doesn't clean as well as others like Meguiar's Hyperwash. It might have the same impact on sealants, but it isn't as noticeable since you reapply sealants a lot more often.

When I used Optimum Car Wash on a coating, I'd have to do a decon wash with Reset a couple times a year to restore the water behavior of the coating. When I switched to Hyperwash, I never had the same problem. The coating would behave consistantly right up to the point it started to fail, years after it was applied.
 
Yes I shook the bottle often, before every spray.

Interesting note about the Optimum wash. I'm about out and was planning on heading to Harbor Freight later this week to pick up another item and get some Hyperwash while I'm there.

Did you notice the same with ONR? I also just ordered another bottle of it.
 
Unfortunately ONR and possibly Optimum Car Wash do leave residual polymers behind. But if you polished and used an panel prep that shouldn't have caused any bonding issues. I was not impressed with OPT Car wash soap. Hyperwash is better IMO.
 
If you're getting rain, tree gunk is the number one killer of beading on most products, including full coatings. I've seen some coatings be quickly destroyed by parking under trees during some rain showers.

HD speed might not be the best product to prep with, even with the Carpro Eraser wipe down because it won't do much against anything designed to bond stronger to the paint, it's more suited against topical oils. Prep with a standard bare polish instead.

Griot's Ceramic 3in1 can be phenomenal on some paint, on others I've seen it fizzle out quickly even with proper prepwork. As suggested above, Can Coat would be the next step up in durability and performance if you're still not seeing performance out of the Griot's.
 
ws6guy said:
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Did you notice the same with ONR? I also just ordered another bottle of it.
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You can always use it for interior plastics or cleaning your hard floors in your house (what I use it for now). I do like it for underhood plastics (leaves them clean but don't attract tons of dust), but for underhood paint it doesn't tend to have enough cleaning power.

But as mentioned above, I won't be using it for paint anymore after the road film issue.

I also never liked it for glass no matter the towel I used it with - you'd end up with "clean" windows, but if you fogged the glass you'd see all the stuff that it didn't clean off and left behind.
 
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