Griots BOSS Pads - Orange vs. Yellow

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Hey guys,

Let's say I used an AIO like HD Speed with the Griots BOSS Orange pads - could I go straight to a wax/sealant from here? Or would I need to follow up with the BOSS Yellow pads before going to a wax/sealant?

As someone who only does this every so often, I'm trying to eliminate cost and steps where I can.

Thanks!
 
Yes...

Purpose of AIO is to correct and seal paint all at one time and then you are done. Can you use either the orange pad for harder paint or the yellow if paint on the softer side.
This is where doing a test spot helps which pad to use.

Now if you want---you can wax or apply sealant but with a softer pad. Can either be the finishing pad, wax pad or whatever. Need only 2 or 3 pads.

You can top Speed with wax or sealant right after applying speed or you can wait couple months then clean the paint and then seal it.
Both are ways will work depending the time you have.

I probably would seal it in 2 or 3 months since the protection from Speed begins to wear off.

Tom
 
Assuming that either the orange or yellow pad along with the AIO provides the level of defect correction desired, I'd choose the yellow first. If I only had the orange pads, I'd use them.

Try it.

Do a test spot with the orange pad you have and look at the results. If the finish meets your expectations then you could certainly top that with any pure wax of your choice.

If you're not really satisfied with the finish the orange pad is providing, then try the yellow or even black pad.
 
TMQ said:
Yes...

Purpose of AIO is to correct and seal paint all at one time and then you are done. Can you use either the orange pad for harder paint or the yellow if paint on the softer side.
This is where doing a test spot helps which pad to use.

Now if you want---you can wax or apply sealant but with a softer pad. Can either be the finishing pad, wax pad or whatever. Need only 2 or 3 pads.

You can top Speed with wax or sealant right after applying speed or you can wait couple months then clean the paint and then seal it.
Both are ways will work depending the time you have.

I probably would seal it in 2 or 3 months since the protection from Speed begins to wear off.

Tom
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I figured I could do HD Speed with white or orange BOSS pads (test spot to see what works best) and then top off with some Collinite 845 on a soft pad (I have some blue and black LC flat pads that could be used for this)

Thanks for the feedback
 
2black1s said:
Assuming that either the orange or yellow pad along with the AIO provides the level of defect correction desired, I'd choose the yellow first. If I only had the orange pads, I'd use them.

Try it.

Do a test spot with the orange pad you have and look at the results. If the finish meets your expectations then you could certainly top that with any pure wax of your choice.

If you're not really satisfied with the finish the orange pad is providing, then try the yellow or even black pad.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have some white and orange BOSS pads and was planning to order some more of both. I suppose I could order some yellow pads as well. The problem is I need a lot of pads (this will be for an airplane) and I’m trying to cut cost and steps where I can. I would like to have at least 10+ pads.

Maybe I ought to go with orange and yellow pads instead of white. Tough to say until I lay eyes on the paint.
 
3D Speed will leave a bit of protection behind and you can certainly top it with another LSP for durability.

The question of which pad to use... it really depends on what your goal is and the condition of the paint. 3D Speed has some correction ability but it is mainly use for paint enhancement in most cases.

When use as a glaze for paint enhancement, it allows the user to get around the project in a relatively short time and hence the word... Speed. To correct light swirls... I would recommend using the orange pad but you do most likely will have to use more slower passes and limit the working area to a small area (2' x 2'). Unfortunately, this will take a lot more time.

If you are going to invest that much time then it might be better to do a true one step with something like 3D One and get more corrections out of it then lay down your LSP immediately after.

If you are considering getting new pads.. look into the Buff and Shine Uro-fiber pads. It is a great one step pad for most paint.
 
CC268 said:
Thanks for the feedback. I have some white and orange BOSS pads and was planning to order some more of both. I suppose I could order some yellow pads as well. The problem is I need a lot of pads (this will be for an airplane) and I’m trying to cut cost and steps where I can. I would like to have at least 10+ pads.

Maybe I ought to go with orange and yellow pads instead of white. Tough to say until I lay eyes on the paint.
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I think that is a good call. From all of the BOSS pads, (most to least aggressive... white, orange, yellow, black), the orange and yellow combination is probably the most versatile combination you could have from those choices.
 
psnt1ol said:
3D Speed will leave a bit of protection behind and you can certainly top it with another LSP for durability.

The question of which pad to use... it really depends on what your goal is and the condition of the paint. 3D Speed has some correction ability but it is mainly use for paint enhancement in most cases.

When use as a glaze for paint enhancement, it allows the user to get around the car in a relatively short time and hence the word... Speed. To correct light swirls... I would recommend using the orange pad but you do most likely will have to use more slower passes and limit the working area to a small area (2' x 2'). Unfortunately, this will take a lot more time.

If you are going to invest that much time then it might be better to do a true one step with something like 3D One and get more corrections out of it then lay down your LSP immediately after.
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I’ve got some other stuff as well. Menzerna 3500, Megs 205, HD Polish. Might be missing something. Not sure if any of those might be a better choice. I’ve always had great results with Speed and it’s easy to use.

Never heard of 3D One but maybe I’ll pick some up.
 
CC268 said:
I’ve got some other stuff as well. Menzerna 3500, Megs 205, HD Polish. Might be missing something. Not sure if any of those might be a better choice. I’ve always had great results with Speed and it’s easy to use.

Never heard of 3D One but maybe I’ll pick some up.
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HD Speed is now called 3D Speed. 3D One is from the same company. It is a compound that is pad dependent. You could do correction as well as finish with it just by switching the pad out from a cutting pad to a polishing pad. PLUS... it is sun friendly just like 3D Speed.

3D One
 
I don't know anything about correction on a plane.

For me i used the BOSS orange pad with sonax perfect finish and the griots first gen G15. It left some hazing so i had to follow up with perfect finish with the yellow pad and i was very happy with the result.

I have read course foam pads don't hold up well. So if you needed something like the BOSS white you might be better off with the BOSS microfiber instead.

This is all speculation. :)

FYI: I have soft toyota paint.
 
I have a question for you guys that knows planes.

How many pads does one need to polish a plane?
I gather these planes have much more real estate than a super large SUV?

Tom
 
Just to chime in,

A whole lot of great discussion and then the other shoe drops. See the portion I turned RED.


CC268 said:
I have some white and orange BOSS pads and was planning to order some more of both.

I suppose I could order some yellow pads as well. The problem is I need a lot of pads (this will be for an airplane) and I’m trying to cut cost and steps where I can.

I would like to have at least 10+ pads.

Maybe I ought to go with orange and yellow pads instead of white. Tough to say until I lay eyes on the paint.
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I hate to assume but going with what I know and it sounds like you're tackling this yourself, as a one-man-operation, I assuming this is for a light aircraft? Like a single engine Cessna or something?

Again, hate to assume, but assuming my guess is correct, the light aircraft if most likely painted with single stage paint and machine buffing with any type of foam CUTTING pad or ANY TYPE of microfiber pad (fibers are abrasives), using either of these is going to burn through all the paint on the rivets and overlapping edges of aluminum panels.

Your best bet will be to take the safe approach and use the Griot's ORANGE pads which in the context of foam cutting pads goes - are NOT very aggressive. This is even more true once the foam becomes WET with product - they basically become a great foam "POLISHING" pad.


Hope that helps...


Can you share a picture of the Plane?


:)
 
Mike Phillips said:
Just to chime in,

A whole lot of great discussion and then the other shoe drops. See the portion I turned RED.





I hate to assume but going with what I know and it sounds like you're tackling this yourself, as a one-man-operation, I assuming this is for a light aircraft? Like a single engine Cessna or something?

Again, hate to assume, but assuming my guess is correct, the light aircraft if most likely painted with single stage paint and machine buffing with any type of foam CUTTING pad or ANY TYPE of microfiber pad (fibers are abrasives), using either of these is going to burn through all the paint on the rivets and overlapping edges of aluminum panels.

Your best bet will be to take the safe approach and use the Griot's ORANGE pads which in the context of foam cutting pads goes - are NOT very aggressive. This is even more true once the foam becomes WET with product - they basically become a great foam "POLISHING" pad.


Hope that helps...


Can you share a picture of the Plane?


:)
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Thanks for chiming in! This will be a Beechcraft Bonanza (N35). Fairly similar in size to maybe a Cessna 182, but certainly larger than a Cessna 172.

I will be using a GG6 for this by the way. I already have 4 Orange BOSS pads, 4 white BOSS pads, and 4 microfiber BOSS pads (bought these a while back for my small fishing boat and never used them - they are still brand new). That said, because I've already invested in the BOSS pads I would prefer to stick with those. I have some practically brand new black and blue LC Flat pads, so I don't think I really need to spend money on wax/sealant specific BOSS pads.

Here are my questions:

1. Should I buy just orange BOSS pads? (I figure I would buy two more 6 packs of pads, which would put me at 16 Orange total)
2. Should I worry about buying the Yellow BOSS pads as well?
3. Would 3D Speed and 3D One be good products to test first?

About 4 years ago I polished my entire Piper Cherokee with my GG6, using white and orange LC Flat pads (white pads in this case being less aggressive than orange - the opposite of the BOSS pads) and HD Speed. The paint was really hard, so I never got all the scratches/scuffs out in some spots, but it still looked very good. I was happy with the process. I figured something similar will work on this aircraft as well.

Here is a photo of the plane. It is back in Kentucky, but I will be going out there in the next week or so to ferry it back to Arizona. From what I can tell, the paint is in really nice shape already.

See link for larger version of photo:
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Anyone have feedback for the above questions? It would be much appreciated. I’d like to place an order on Autogeek this week!
 
I think you should buy 1 or 2 pads each of yellow and orange. And see what one works best before you commit to over 10 pads.

speed and one are very different products.

Edit: You already have orange..i would pick up 1 or 2 yellow and figure out if i you want to use a polish with protection added or one without protection.

I'm not a fan of AIO's personally but for detailing professionals it would be valuable.
 
noorth said:
I think you should buy 1 or 2 pads each of yellow and orange. And see what one works best before you commit to over 10 pads.

speed and one are very different products.

Edit: You already have orange..i would pick up 1 or 2 yellow and figure out if i you want to use a polish with protection added or one without protection.

I'm not a fan of AIO's personally but for detailing professionals it would be valuable.
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I’m certainly open to other products than an AIO like 3D Speed. I was planning to use Speed and follow up with some Collinite 845. That said, I’m not sure I want to do more than a two step process here as it would be extremely time consuming. Polishing the underside of the wings and belly of an aircraft is not very fun. I couldn’t imagine doing more than 2 steps ha.
 
Personally, i like ceramics. Cancoat is pretty simple. 3D one is a good polish but i don't know anything about single stage paint.

I've used colly 845 i don't think its in the same class has Cancoat. Cancoat is world class.
 
I like both Blackfire One Step and Speed.

The difference is that Blackfire cuts a tad more. Speed shines a tad more. For a regular person that doesn't polish much, they'll look the same.

In your case--you have used speed and you like it. Might as well stay with that.

As Mike said before, Boss orange probably will be fine. Light cutting pad that will become softer with additional product. And if Imron, I think Speed will be good pick to get the most gloss and sheen.

Then top it all off with Collinite.

Tom
 
TMQ said:
I like both Blackfire One Step and Speed.

The difference is that Blackfire cuts a tad more. Speed shines a tad more. For a regular person that doesn't polish much, they'll look the same.

In your case--you have used speed and you like it. Might as well stay with that.

As Mike said before, Boss orange probably will be fine. Light cutting pad that will become softer with additional product. And if Imron, I think Speed will be good pick to get the most gloss and sheen.

Then top it all off with Collinite.

Tom
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Thanks I appreciate the feedback. I think I’ll stick to that plan
 
CC268 said:
Thanks I appreciate the feedback. I think I’ll stick to that plan
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Your going to spend 25 plus hours to get 3 mths of crappy protection. I cringe thinking about.

If you want to use an AIO use carpro essence and followed that up with IGL primer. Speed and colly would not hold a candle to that combo. Both products are very easy to use to.

Colly 845 is outdated.
 
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