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Is it necessary to strip previously applied waxes/sealants with a product like griots paint prep before going in with polish on a DA? First time-er here with a DA. Your insights would be appreciated.
 
Yes it is, to expose the true condition of the paint, that wax, glaze , or sealants might be hiding, also it removes oils residues , and is just a clean naked surface after you clay, making sure you have the cleanest surface possible.

It also takes no more then 10 mins for a quick wipe down so, it's affective and takes no time.
 
Harpolith said:
Is it necessary to strip previously applied waxes/sealants with a product like griots paint prep before going in with polish on a DA? First time-er here with a DA. Your insights would be appreciated.
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I did some testing and the Griots Paint Prep might remove an old wax, but it won't remove a sealant. I just do a strong wash, then IronX, then clay before polishing --so by then the paint is very clean and the polishing will remove any remaining LSP.
 
Yeah all the so called paint prep products are really meant to be applied after polishing and not a substitute.
 
A good prep (aggressive wash, decontamination, clay) before starting machine use should remove most LSP or already really break them down. If not, your test spot will, and it will let you know if you need to go up on the compound/polish/pad levels.
 
Is it necessary to strip previously applied waxes/sealants before going with a polish on a DA?

It is necessary to prepare the paint for polishing (wash, decon (optional), clay) .... which will provide you the following benefits:

1. Embedded contaminates would be removed, which will help reduce marring/swirling when polishing

2. Allow you to inspect the virgin paint surfaces so that you can understand how to address your polishing needs

You get #3 as a byproduct... which is that previous applied wax/sealant layers would be removed. Griots Paint Prep or any other pre-wax cleaner would be used after claying; especially if the vehicle in question is a daily driver.

The only time the above steps can safely be reduced or eliminated is if you have a garage queen; and then you would simply eliminate the decon and clay steps.... assuming you are sure the surface is ready to have some steps eliminated. The baggy test is the best way to find out.
 
No...it's not necessary.

•Let's start at the beginning:
-The Wax or Sealant film layer is only a couple of
molecules thick when it's first applied/brand new.

•So, (getting ready to detail the vehicle):
-After washing the vehicle;
-opting for an IronX/IronX-type decon, or not;
-performing the "Baggie Test" to determine
if claying is needed, or not;

-then polishing, even with mild polishes, will
remove whatever remnants of the previous
Waxes' or Sealants' film layers that remain.

•In fact, IMO:
-polishing is the only way to ensure these
previous LSPs will be totally removed.

-Save the "paint prep" products for
after the paint correction process(es)...and
synched with their designated Paint 'Coatings'.


Bob
 
Pre-clean the paint for a fresh start.

Use Griot's Garage Paint Prep to remove old wax and polysilicones for a squeaky clean start before you polish and wax. This pre-wax cleaner spray preps your vehicle for a the best possible finish by promoting better bonding of waxes and a more even shine from polishes. Griot's Garage Paint Prep is the pre-wax cleaner you spray on!

Many car care products contain silicone and synthetic oils. Other products can't bond properly or interact negatively with these silicone-laden products. It's important to use Griot's Garage Paint Prep to remove all of the old waxes, polysilicones, and oils so fresh applications of products can properly bond to the surface. Waxes and sealants will last longer and any paint product will be easier to wipe off when you use Griot's Garage Paint Prep first.

Griot's Garage Paint Prep is easy to use and is safe for vinyl and rubber. Overspray will not harm vinyl or rubber.

This is also the perfect prep for any painting project. Griot's Garage Paint Prep eliminates fish eyes that occur when silicone isn't cleaned from a surface before applying paint. Don't let your paint project be ruined by skipping this simple yet important step. Spray on Griot's Garage Paint Prep, allow to dwell for 2-6 minutes, and wipe! Griot's Garage Paint Prep safely cleans walls, counters, floors, and any painted surface.

Griot's Garage Paint Prep is a new way to prep your paint for the perfect finish. Just spray it on and wipe away old waxes and silicones.
 
^^^To me: Sounds like a bunch of "Ad Hype"^^^

Wondering if you have ever used it?


Bob
 
mwoolfso said:
Is it necessary to strip previously applied waxes/sealants before going with a polish on a DA?

It is necessary to prepare the paint for polishing (wash, decon (optional), clay) .... which will provide you the following benefits:

1. Embedded contaminates would be removed, which will help reduce marring/swirling when polishing

2. Allow you to inspect the virgin paint surfaces so that you can understand how to address your polishing needs

You get #3 as a byproduct... which is that previous applied wax/sealant layers would be removed. Griots Paint Prep or any other pre-wax cleaner would be used after claying; especially if the vehicle in question is a daily driver.

The only time the above steps can safely be reduced or eliminated is if you have a garage queen; and then you would simply eliminate the decon and clay steps.... assuming you are sure the surface is ready to have some steps eliminated. The baggy test is the best way to find out.
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i agree with this post. but, i would replace "would" with could.

machine polishing will decimate any wax or sealant, and that wax/sealant won't affect the polishing process. but, yeah, you need to prep the paint for polishing and you want to wipe down the paint after prep but prior to polishing to know what you are working with and assure a clean surface. but, this could be something more cost effective like D114. the Griot's item is an expensive alternative to that with a lot less functionality, since the other options can be used for washing and general cleaning at other times too. however, i do realize that the Griot's 35 oz bottle is proportionately cheaper than Optimum Paint Prep spray and CarPro Eraser spray.
 
Yes I used the product....

Many different ways to get the same results......

Are you confused with this product: "Prepare your vehicle for a clean, clear shine!

Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner cleans and conditions auto paint after polishing to restore maximum gloss before wax application. Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner prepares the paint to accept a wax or paint sealant for the best looking, longest lasting finish. Don't wax without it!

Professional detailers have known for years that you should use a prewax cleaner to clean and condition the paint after polishing and before applying wax or sealant. Minute polish residue can remain on the paint surface and may be difficult to remove. Richard Griot developed this Pre-Wax Cleanser so you can safely, quickly and easily prepare the paint surface to accept wax or sealant.

Made from a carefully blended combination of citrus oil and surfactants, Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner won't harm the paint, and it is fast and easy to use. Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner instantly lifts polish residue and anything else that might interfere with the bonding of the wax or sealant. It's especially useful for cleaning around body seams and emblems, where polish residue may tough to remove. The spray formula makes it easy to clean crevices and grooves.

Once the paint is properly cleaned and conditioned with Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner, the wax or paint sealant will bond to the paint, uninhibited. The finish will look cleaner, clearer, and the wax may even last longer.

Simply spray Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner onto a freshly polished vehicle and wipe dry with a soft microfiber towel. It's that easy. Next apply Griot's Garage Best of Show Wax or Paint Sealant.

Before you wax, prepare your paint finish for the best possible shine with Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner."

Yes I used this product as many others, sir!
 
FUNX650 said:
^^^To me: Sounds like a bunch of "Ad Hype"^^^

Wondering if you have ever used it?


Bob
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I agree.

Yes you need to decon the paint correctly before you polish. There is no need to strip off wax before you polish (assuming the decon doesn't kill it).

I own a few bottles of this product - and quite frankly it's a wast of dollars. It's not strong enough to reliably remove an LSP (think panel wipe & mineral spirits) and it's not been proven that stripping "polishing oils" makes a wax or sealant last 30 seconds longer than just applying it directly after polishing.

Of course, this is not the case for coatings - which this product is not intended to be used prior to anyway.
 
It's very simple to test this for yourself. Spray some water on your car and note the beading. Clean the paint with the Griots Paint Prep then spray some water on the car--the beading is gone so you assume the LSP is gone. Now give the paint an IPA wipe down--spray water on the car again --- magically the beading re-appears. The Paint Prep leaves surfactants behind that make the water spread on the paint and the IPA wipe down removes them so the LSP is exposed again thus the water beads again.
 
FUNX650,
Back in the day, Opti coat 2.0 Dr G, was saying CarPro Easer was causing bonding issues with Opti coat 2.0. Yes I used Griots Paint Prep as a wipe down product. No problems with bonding and still on cars I coated.

Then Dr G started IPA prep was the proper product. Now they have a complete line of products for start to finish with Optimum car care products.

Your comment if I ever used the product was a directed at me personally. I will take the high road about this, sir.
 
Detail-Impressions said:
FUNX650,
Back in the day, Opti coat 2.0 Dr G, was saying CarPro Easer was causing bonding issues with Opti coat 2.0. Yes I used Griots Paint Prep as a wipe down product. No problems with bonding and still on cars I coated.

Then Dr G started IPA prep was the proper product. Now they have a complete line of products for start to finish with Optimum car care products.

Your comment if I ever used the product was a directed at me personally. I will take the high road about this, sir.
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I gotta' agree that you sounded like an ad for the product. Perhaps you just copied what GG says. Or you should be in sales for GG :xyxthumbs:
 
GG paint prep/cleaner is good stuff. I've used it many times. I ran out and use Eraser for now. Good stuff on both ends.
 
Harpolith said:
Thanks to each and every one of you for your insight :)
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You get a lot of good info here but bottom line it`s up to you to choose what works best for you. Being a hobbyist I have used both with good results.
 
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