Hand Wax or buff?

Mr.GoodCat

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Hey everybody, so my question is, What's the better finished product? A car that has been hand waxed, or buffed?

When using a buffer do you always have to tape off the trims, headlights, and so on?
When starting a bussiness what is a desent buffer to start out with? And what accessories are needed?

Any other tips or facts that can fall into this catagory are greatly appreciated!

Thanks guys and stay clean!


-Mr.GoodCat-
 
I personally can do a better job with a rotary and/or a Dual Action polisher over a hand wax..... but then again there are some gentlemen on here that apparently can produce a crazy shine by hand. If you are starting out with a rotary get a makita for sure..... The FLEX seems to be everyones choice here - never used it but good things seem to be said about it.

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Hey everybody, so my question is, What's the better finished product? A car that has been hand waxed, or buffed?

When using a buffer do you always have to tape off the trims, headlights, and so on?
When starting a bussiness what is a desent buffer to start out with? And what accessories are needed?

Any other tips or facts that can fall into this catagory are greatly appreciated!

Thanks guys and stay clean!


-Mr.GoodCat-

This question doesn't make the most sense. Your answer would be polished. If your car is full of swirls and defects and you "hand wax" it.. your swirls will shine more then they did.

Polish or buff your car, then wax it for best results. This will generally always be the best option 99% of the time unless you are dealing with a brand new paint job that the dealership hasn't hacked already.

You don't always need to tape. I personally tape because it makes for much easier clean up and is professional. If your gonna do it, do it right. Especially when dealing with someone elses property.

A good starter buffer is a Porter Cable or the Griots Garage. Orange, white and gray 5.5" pads. Meguiars M105 and M205. A quality sealant and wax. You will be making cars look great in no time!
 
Hey thanks fancyfootwork, I'm excited to try one out on my car! What type of tape? What is the Meguiars M105 and M205? Could you give me names of good sealant and wax? And why do the colors of the pads matter? I'm a total nube sorry for all the questions

I'm still new to all of this, I've cleaned cars for a dealership for about a year and learned some good pointers. But as far as professional knowledge I'm not up to par. This is probably why my questions may not make sense
 
Hey thanks fancyfootwork, I'm excited to try one out on my car! What type of tape? What is the Meguiars M105 and M205? Could you give me names of good sealant and wax? And why do the colors of the pads matter? I'm a total nube sorry for all the questions

I'm still new to all of this, I've cleaned cars for a dealership for about a year and learned some good pointers. But as far as professional knowledge I'm not up to par. This is probably why my questions may not make sense

Blue painters tape. Meguiars or Megs 105 and 205 are a compound (for really heavy cutting/defect removal) and 205 is a polish for "finishing" the paint after 105.

Use an orange pad with m105 for a heavy cut. Follow it with a white pad and m205 to finish it. You may also use an orage pad with 205 for a mixture of cutting power.

A great sealant and one I always use is Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant. Very easy to apply and lasts months. Some great waxes are Pinnacle Souveran, Nattys Blue/Red, Dodo Juice PRO waxes, Supernatural, Banana Armour. etc. Just give the Autogeek store a browse along with some forum posts and you will see all the numerous types of waxes.
 
Hey thanks fancyfootwork, I'm excited to try one out on my car! What type of tape? What is the Meguiars M105 and M205? Could you give me names of good sealant and wax? And why do the colors of the pads matter? I'm a total nube sorry for all the questions

I'm still new to all of this, I've cleaned cars for a dealership for about a year and learned some good pointers. But as far as professional knowledge I'm not up to par. This is probably why my questions may not make sense

Colors of pads are indicators of aggressiveness of the pads depending on brand of pad.

Use Blue painters tape.

Never used Mequires 105 or 205 ..... but they are a combo that work together. A compound and polish if Im not mistaken. First you compound a ride using an aggressive pad..... then use a less aggressive pad and more of a polish so on and so on.... then a sealant is applied....then finish with a wax if preferred.
 
Hey everybody, so my question is, What's the better finished product? A car that has been hand waxed, or buffed?

a vehicle that has been properly buffed/polished will look better than a vehicle that was only waxed. buffing/polishing will remove the swirl marks and make the surface "flat". with a "flat" surface the sun light is not broken up which in return will give a deeper more reflective shine. if you go to the show n shine section and look through some of the post you will see that vehicles with swirls actually appear to be a different color. black will look gray red will look pink if the swirls are bad enough. at that point no wax will give a good finish. there is a term that is used alot when people ask the infamous question" which wax gives better look?" the answer that you will see alot is "it is all in the prep work" and that prep work is buffing/polishing along with proper wash and claying.

When using a buffer do you always have to tape off the trims, headlights, and so on?

yes it always a good idea to tape off what you do not want to buff.


When starting a bussiness what is a desent buffer to start out with? And what accessories are needed?

if you are just starting out i would go with a DA like or PC. it will be safer and easier to use and get use to at first. and with the new Meg MF buffing system that just came out you can get rotary like results with a DA.
 
Colors of pads are indicators of aggressiveness of the pads depending on brand of pad.

Use Blue painters tape.

Never used Mequires 105 or 205 ..... but they are a combo that work together. A compound and polish if Im not mistaken. First you compound a ride using an aggressive pad..... then use a less aggressive pad and more of a polish so on and so on.... then a sealant is applied....then finish with a wax if preferred.

less aggressive method is best way to go. if 205 and white pad gets the job done then there is no need to use 105 and a cutting pad. remember we want to remove to least amount of clear coat as possible.
 
less aggressive method is best way to go. if 205 and white pad gets the job done then there is no need to use 105 and a cutting pad. remember we want to remove to least amount of clear coat as possible.

Cool - never used those before - think I stated that..... I use the products that I know and have used for years along with the makita a wool pad..... then makita a black pad..... then either a white pad and glaze or a Cyclo and a glaze...... this has worked for me with great results. Then many times I top off with a wax and a DA.
 
Cool - never used those before - think I stated that..... I use the products that I know and have used for years along with the makita a wool pad..... then makita a black pad..... then either a white pad and glaze or a Cyclo and a glaze...... this has worked for me with great results. Then many times I top off with a wax and a DA.

always use what works for you. once the OP has gained knowledge of product and technic and got alittle hands on expirence he (as well as all of us have done) will figure out what works best for him.
 
"Mr. GoodCat" I like that. Were you watching Lucky Number Slevin when you signed up?

-Mr. BadDog
 
Poorboys Nattys Blue Wax
Paste or liquid, both are excellent!
Easy to use, Great price, Looks great, Apply and remove in the sun or shade. If you are going to be doing lots of cars and like the ability to wax in the sun this is the one for you!
 
This is just my opinion, but the machine always outperforms the human hand but Personal Preference trumps anyone's opinion. If you like to apply a wax by hand then that's the best way. If you prefer to apply by machine, then that's the best way.

Machine
Equal pressure over a larger surface, consistent application motion and speed and the machine never gets tired.

Hand
Uneven pressure over a small surface, inconsistent application motion and speed and the human gets tired.

Risk of Fingermarks also, not so much with the hand application of a "Finishing Wax" or "Finishing Paint Sealant" or a "Finishing Hybrid", but with anything that offers cleaning or abrading ability.


Fingermarks

Fingermarks, also called Leopard Spot Effect, are actually a type of scratch-pattern left in the paint from using a product that's either too aggressive to be used by hand or not safe for clear coat paints.

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The marks mimic the shape of your fingertips as they push down on some type of applicator pad while working a product over and into the paint. Finger Marks are inflicted into the paint anytime you stop the movement of the applicator pad for at this moment, as brief as it may be, there tends to be more pressure exerted to the fingertips at the point at which you either stopped moving your hand or changed the direction in which you're moving your hand.

This can happen if you apply products in a circular motion or in a back-and-forth, straight-line motion. It's not the direction of the motion, it's the stopping of motion or the change of direction of motion that the marks are imprinted into the paint.

It can also be caused by using too aggressive of a material for an applicator, for example a coarse cloth like cheesecloth a red shop rag.

Cheesecloth
In the last year I met a gentleman that purchased some Cheesecloth at a PBE store that said on the package it was safe for clear coat finishes, he used the cheesecloth to apply a hand applied polish to the paint on his brand new black Porsche and ended up instilling finger marks everywhere he rubbed the paint.

Red Shop Rag
We all know you shouldn't apply paint care products to any type of paint using a red shop rag but I've met people that don't understand how easily clear coat paints are scratched and thus don't take the type of applicator or application material they're using into consideration. Automotive repair shops use a lot of shop rags, they're not always read, sometimes they gray or purple looking but they're all made out of fairly coarse material and it's not uncommon for some well-meaning mechanic to wipe or rub something off a car while it's in the shop for repair and in the process instill scratches and finger marks.


Coarse Rubbing Compounds
Old fashioned rubbing compounds in which the abrasives are hard and sharp will also cause Finger Marks when applied by hand. While most rubbing compounds have been reformulated to be safer than old style compounds that were commonly used on single stage paints before the 1980's, there are still zillions of cans of rubbing compound and polishing compound in garages and shops across the country that are used on clear coated cars because that's whats already out in the garage.


This is why you want to do a Test Spot to the paint anytime you're using products you're unfamiliar with or working on paint you've never worked on before.



If the results from your Test Spot look good, then simply duplicate your process over the rest of the car. If the results from your Test Spot don't look good... aren't you glad you only worked on a small section?


Always read the label of any scratch or swirl mark remover and make sure it states on the label that the product is safe for hand-application to clear coat finishes.

Finger Marks
These were all instilled applying a product that was originally introduced as a hand applied swirl and scratch remover. It was never introduced to the market. It was given to me to test and I tested it on what started out as a flawless finish. It was applied using overlapping circular motions using a clean, soft foam applicator pad. The product was applied over the entire hood using a normal protocol of working small sections at a time, then when moving onto a new section overlapping a little into the previous section until the entire hood had been worked. All work was done in a garage with normal garage lighting and the finger marks did not show up until the car was pulled out into the sun for inspection.

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While this test was done purposefully to document with pictures the problems caused by using products that are too abrasive for use by hand on clear coat finishes, it's always a best practice to only do a Test Spot when using a product for the first time, or working a a paint system you are unfamiliar with.

After the finger marks were documented, they were then removed using a DA Polisher and a clear coat safe swirl and scratch remover and the original swirl-free finish was restored to the demo car.


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Thanks Mike, I've always waxed by hand. I'm really excited to test out a machine wax. Everyone was alot of help on this thread I appericate it.
 
Yesterday i used the grey pad to apply WGDGPS 3.0 for the first time. It gave me a nice even coat but I used twice as much product because the pad was so absorbent.
 
Whats the best way to make sure you get an even coat? Are there pads that absorb less then others?
 
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