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I have been using MF pads to do correction work on cars but when I work on buses and vans that come in in really cruddy condition I use foam pads on my Flex 3401. With working on the buses and vans I am typically deep cleaning paint using lots of product and moderate to heavy pressure. This work is hard on pads and these pads are holding up very well. I too thought they might be bad, cheaply made pads but they fit the bill for my shop.