HD Speed topped with CQuartz

[duffthebluff]

Hello guys, I was thinking of topping my works of HD Speed with CQuartz. My question is, since HD Speed is an AIO that would leave out some few swirls, would it be fine to top those light swirls/scratches with CQuartz?

 

[Rsurfer]

Why would you think of using an AIO with a coating? If you are using CQuartz, using Essence might work better than Speed.

 

[lane5515]

Hello guys, I was thinking of topping my works of HD Speed with CQuartz. My question is, since HD Speed is an AIO that would leave out some few swirls, would it be fine to top those light swirls/scratches with CQuartz?

I don't think you want to top HD Speed with a coating. Most coatings require a clean surface free of polishing oils, sealants and waxes and some have a coating prep to use before to make sure the surface is prepared properly. You can top CarPro Essence with CQuartz and some have used other coatings on top of Essence also.

 

[MikeC78]

Ohhh boy! There has been a lot of people lately asking questions about topping an AIO with a coating. The answer is, NO. Maybe this is why some products require detailers to be certified installers.

 

[GSKR]

Ohhh boy! There has been a lot of people lately asking questions about topping an AIO with a coating. The answer is, NO. Maybe this is why some products require detailers to be certified installers.

It just comes down to being lazy I guess.

 

[Joe@NextLevelDetail]

It just comes down to being lazy I guess.

Ill never understand the "topping" of a all in one it defeats the purpose of using a "all in one"

I would much rather use a compound, then follow behind it with the all in one, Its almost the same effort and your going to get better results.

I am certainly going to be doing a write-up about this soon.

 

[TTQ B4U]

^^ All of the above

I like HD Products but would use HDCut/HDPolish then coat it. Or really my preference is Essence as the polish then top with coating. No need to further top the coating with anything. I use CarPro ECH20/CarPro Reload mixed as my detail spray after washing and it's stellar.

 

[Desertnate]

Ill never understand the "topping" of a all in one it defeats the purpose of using a "all in one"

I would much rather use a compound, then follow behind it with the all in one, Its almost the same effort and your going to get better results.

I am certainly going to be doing a write-up about this soon.

The only reason I could think of for topping and AIO is to make it last longer. The AIO's I've used have durabilty measured in weeks vs months like most LSP's.

I agree that if you're going to two-step a car, you might as well polish it and then apply the LSP. Many of the questions regarding AIO's and coatings lately probably stem from all threads from folks using HD Speed or Essence as their polishing step. They don't realize the major difference between the two products.

 

[Eldorado2k]

The only reason I could think of for topping and AIO is to make it last longer.

Wouldn't the solvents in whatever sealant used to top a typical AIO remove the layer of protection left behind by the AIO? Even then, shouldn't the AIO be left to cure for certain amount of time [ideally like 12hrs] prior to topping? If that turns out to be true, then wouldn't people be fooling themselves when they think they're laying down additional protection over the weak protection of the AIO when in reality they're just winding up with 1 layer of protection not 2?

Btw, I'm not a believer in the topping of AIO's. I rarely even use them.


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[Desertnate]

Wouldn't the solvents in whatever sealant used to top a typical AIO remove the layer of protection left behind by the AIO? Even then, shouldn't the AIO be left to cure for certain amount of time [ideally like 12hrs] prior to topping? If that turns out to be true, then wouldn't people be fooling themselves when they think they're laying down additional protection over the weak protection of the AIO when in reality they're just winding up with 1 layer of protection not 2?

Btw, I'm not a believer in the topping of AIO's. I rarely even use them.


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You're probably right on all counts, but I have no evidence to back it up.

The few times I've used AIO's I started topping them with a spray wax once they showed signs of failure. Nothing like applying a full-on LSP immediatly after applying an AIO. Using a spray wax appeared to keep the vehicle protected between washes, but at that point it would be hard to tell if it was the AIO or Spray wax at work. My only goal at that point was keeping the car protected until I had time to strip it and apply something more durable.

 

[Justin at Final Inspection]

Has anyone actually done a test to see if you can use say HD Speed then top it with a coating? Not encouraging the practice by any means. Just thinking out loud lol.

 

[duffthebluff]

Thanks for the input guys, I haven't coated any cars just yet so I'm still learning the ins and outs of this stuff. I appreciate all your replies!

 

[custmsprty]

Thanks for the input guys, I haven't coated any cars just yet so I'm still learning the ins and outs of this stuff. I appreciate all your replies!

Bottom line is you want the coating to bond to the paint. If you use HD Speed it's not bonding to the paint as the surface has the residual of the Poxy that is in Speed on it. So imho it would be a huge waste of money and time.

IMHO, I always try to stay within the family of products I'm using. Not a hard and fast rule, but I adhere to that 98%+ of the time. So if you're using cquartz why wouldn't you refer to what they say for prep for their coating?

 

[Ray6712]

He could use speed and just do a proper wipe down with car pro eraser or an IPA wipe down, in other words using speed to get his paint where he wants it then removing the fresh sealant and going with a coating


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[custmsprty]

He could use speed and just do a proper wipe down with car pro eraser or an IPA wipe down, in other words using speed to get his paint where he wants it then removing the fresh sealant and going with a coating


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Or he could use Car Pro Essence which is designed to work synergistically with C Quartz, that would be the way I would go.

CarPro Essence Xtreme Gloss Enhancer 250 ml

The Sio2 Quartz protection incorporated into the CarPro Essence Xtreme Gloss Enhancer formula leaves a strong layer of protection behind, with minimal effort. However, CarPro Essence Xtreme Gloss Enhancer is the perfect prep polish when used before applying a coating of CarPro CQuartz. After being polished with CarPro Essence Xtreme Gloss Enhancer, your paint will bond quickly and effectively with CarPro CQuartz, or even CarPro Reload, creating a hard layer of protection.

 

[CarolinasFinestDetailing]

Ill never understand the "topping" of a all in one it defeats the purpose of using a "all in one"

I would much rather use a compound, then follow behind it with the all in one, Its almost the same effort and your going to get better results.

I am certainly going to be doing a write-up about this soon.

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with topping an AIO honestly. Is it redundant? Maybe to some. I, for example, top HD Speed with Optimum Spray wax for a bit more slickness and longevity in protection. Can I see topping it with a traditional creme sealant or paste wax? Not personally. But, it doesn't make it wrong to do.

 

[Rsurfer]

He could use speed and just do a proper wipe down with car pro eraser or an IPA wipe down, in other words using speed to get his paint where he wants it then removing the fresh sealant and going with a coating


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Why?

 

[dlc95]

I've seen this particular AIO recommended for everything from a heavy cut, cutting compound, to a finishing wax. I believe the popularity of this product accounts for the desire to use it in situations where it might not be the most appropriate solution.

 

[PaulMys]

I've seen this particular AIO recommended for everything from a heavy cut, cutting compound, to a finishing wax. I believe the popularity of this product accounts for the desire to use it in situations where it might not be the most appropriate solution.

Lol. Me too.

I think the popularity of HD Speed has gone to it's head. :laughing:

But in all honesty, I used HDS on my truck for light/medium swirls and it worked wonders. (Thanks, Mark!)

Knowing it also laid down a little sealer & wax (being an AIO) was cool too.

However, after asking around here on AGO, anyone I respected said topping an AIO with a quality LSP was a go. So that's what I did. And it has not let me down in the least.

 

[AZpolisher15]

Ill never understand the "topping" of a all in one it defeats the purpose of using a "all in one"

I would much rather use a compound, then follow behind it with the all in one, Its almost the same effort and your going to get better results.

I am certainly going to be doing a write-up about this soon.

Sometimes I wonder if this stems from some enthusiasts being fearful of "polishing" (or polishes in general) and thinking that it's more of an advanced, time-intensive process-- and at the same time thinking AIO's (or "cleaner waxes") are a quick and easy way to near-perfection (essentially, a fool-proof shortcut).

A lot of threads highlight the many hours/days of work that go into properly "polishing" a vehicle, as well as the expertise of the detailers (and a lot of forum readers just aren't interested in that level of commitment for themselves). At the same time there are lots of threads where people relatively new to detailing knock out a vehicle in an afternoon with an AIO and get some impressive results. What isn't often appreciated at a distance (i.e. on a forum by those with less experience) are the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) differences.

I think people often have the impression of AIO's being much easier to work with than polishes. So, that's why they're topping them instead of a dedicated polish.