How can I have rusty and squeaky brakes..?

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Hey all,

I've only recently changed the disk brakes and the pads on my car about 2 week ago, I've been hearing them screech every now and then (it does not happen all the time).. and I have also noticed that the brakes, have, what looks to be, rust. It's some kind of orange stuff, but I jet washed that off today.

Any idea why this is? is it like a bedding in period or something?

Thanks!
 
pics?

somethings to consider...

did you put brake pad grease on the back of the pads? That will keep them quiet.

Did you put the pads on correctly? I have seen a lot of people accidentally put them on backwards.

Did you bed them after install?
 
Yes the 2 things that come to mind for me are did you grease any metal to metal contacts and also the bedding of the brakes.
 
Rust is 100% normal on a cast iron rotor. The issue becomes - is there rust forming on the face of the rotor where the pad should contact???

If so, this is indicative of the caliper piston being seized or the caliper being reinstalled incorrectly. The caliper pins/slides are likely not seized - since you just had it apart.

If you did everything right and your rotors aren't cracked or overheated, this means one thing:

Cheap pads.
 
I would add: Did you use semi-metallics? I find they start to squeak after 2 weeks.
 
pics?

somethings to consider...

did you put brake pad grease on the back of the pads? That will keep them quiet.

Did you put the pads on correctly? I have seen a lot of people accidentally put them on backwards.

Did you bed them after install?

Plus, did you clean and re-lube the caliper guide pins? Those suckers HAVE to be able to move smoothly.

Bill
 
Thanks for the thread and responses. Have some squeaky brakes too due to leaving the bar with my e-brake on in winter and driving all the way home. Gonna check out the suggestions given.
 
Hey guys,

I actually did take a photo yesterday but I deleted it when I was clearing out the photos on my phone, I wasn't thinking.. my bad :(

I actually got them installed by a garage. The squeek isn't that bad.. and doesn't happen all the times. I'll make sure I snap two photos tomorrow and upload them.. i hope they aint on incorrectly. lol

Oh and, I'm not sure if he greased them.
 
pics?

somethings to consider...

did you put brake pad grease on the back of the pads? That will keep them quiet.

Did you put the pads on correctly? I have seen a lot of people accidentally put them on backwards.

Did you bed them after install?

I got them installed by a garage so i'm really not sure to answer your questions. But i was extremely careful on the brakes, and still am now so bedding them in wasn't a problem
 
Sorry about the time it's taken to get some pictures! but here they are, and, as you can see how rusty the brakes are! I'd had boh the disks and pads changed about a month ago!

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That rust is normal. no problem there.

Greasing or using some other form of brake quiet compound in the backs of the brake pads where they contact the calipers and pistons is a possibility, as are greasing the guide rail where the pad rests on the caliper housing when you install (the notches the pads have to fit into and line up with on reinstall).

Also, bedding in brakes is not a delicate procedure, you don't go easy on them. Quite the opposite actually, you pretty much beat on them in a systematic manner.

I find the carbon metallic pads on my vehicle squeak until they get hot, then the squeaking goes away.

Bottom line though, if you paid someone and you aren't happy, take it back and tell them to make it right.
 
Here are a couple of ways to bed in your brakes.


After installing new pads make 6 to 10 stops from approximately 35 mph with moderate pressure. Make an additional two to three hard stops from approximately 40 to 45 mph. Do not allow the vehicle to come to a complete stop. When completed with this process, park the vehicle and allow the brakes to cool completely before driving on them again. Do not engage the parking brake until after this cooling process is compete!


Then there is this one. It's a bit more radical, and more for high performance brakes.


  1. From 60mph, gently apply the brakes a couple of times to bring them up to operating temperature. This prevents you from thermally shocking the rotors and pads in the next steps.
  2. Make eight to ten near-stops from 60mph to about 20 mph. Do it HARD by pressing the brakes firmly, but do not lock the wheels or engage ABS. At the end of each slowdown, immediately accelerate back to 60mph, then apply the brakes again. DO NOT COME TO A COMPLETE STOP! If you stop completely, with your foot on the brake pedal, pad material will be imprinted onto the hot rotors, which could lead to vibration and uneven braking.
  3. The brakes may begin to fade after the 7th or 8th near-stop. This fade will stabilize, but not completely go away until the brakes have fully cooled. A strong smell from the brakes, and even some smoke, is normal.
  4. After the last near-stop, accelerate back up to speed and cruise for a few minutes, using the brakes as little as possible to allow them to cool down. Try not to become trapped in traffic or come to a complete stop while the brakes are still hot.
  5. If full race pads, such as Hawk DTC-70 or Performance Friction PFC11 are being used, add four near-stops from 80 to 20 mph.
  6. After the break-in cycle, there should be a slight blue tint and a light gray film on each rotor face. The blue tint tells you the rotor has reached break-in temperature and the gray film is pad material starting to transfer onto the rotor face. This is what you are looking for. The best braking occurs when there is an even layer of of pad material deposited across the rotors. This minimizes squealing, increases braking torque, and maximizes pad and rotor life.
After the first break in cycle shown above, the brakes may still not be fully broken in. A second bed-in cycle, AFTER the brakes have cooled down fully from the first cycle, may be necessary before the brakes really start to perform well. This is especially true if you have installed new pads on old rotors, since the pads need some usage to conform to the rotor wear pattern. If you've just installed a big brake kit, pedal travel may not feel as firm as you expected. After the second bedding cycle, the pedal will become noticeably firmer. If necessary, bleed the brakes to improve pedal firmness.

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I generally used the first one, plus 2~3 stops from at least 60~70 and it always works. ;)
I really can't recommend *normal* street brakes being hammered right off the bat from 60 like that. :eek: If you'll start slow, then work up it should be fine. They WILL heat up and smell pretty badly. Just don't come to a complete stop with your foot on the brake.... slow it down then let it roll.
Thing is, now that they were never bedded in properly (if they are really giving you problems) you'll likely end up having to pull them and either sand them down or start with new pads.
The garage should have either bedded them in themselves, or given you instructions on how to do it! (Although nobody I know will do that, they just don't.) :rolleyes:
 
Thank you so much for your replies - the squeaking doesn't happen ALL of the time, it is very random. I think it could be the same issue you have with yours aim4squirrels - only squeak when hot?

Hmm, my old set of brakes never used to squeak or get rusty like they are doing now!

Thanks also cardaddy!
 
Did the garage that did the brake job cut the rotors? Is there a ridge at the outside edge of the rotor?
If the rotors were not cut there could be a ridge and that ridge can cause squeaking.
 
Did the garage that did the brake job cut the rotors? Is there a ridge at the outside edge of the rotor?
If the rotors were not cut there could be a ridge and that ridge can cause squeaking.

I really do not have a clue, have you got a photo of what I'll be looking for? I'll get some photos or video etc.
 
Just reach in through the wheel and drag your finger across the face of the rotor (where it's shiny silver) from the inside to the outside edge and see if you feel a ridge right at the outside edge (where it looks rusty). It should feel flat all the way until your finger falls off the edge. If there is a ridge you will feel it right at the edge.
Think of a plastic lid from a coffee can or pringles can, it is flat with a ridge around the outside.

No matter what the problem may be, you paid for a brake job and they should not be squealing so take it back to the shop that you paid to do the work and have them fix it.
 
Did the garage that did the brake job cut the rotors? Is there a ridge at the outside edge of the rotor?
If the rotors were not cut there could be a ridge and that ridge can cause squeaking.

I think you're on to something there.

Notice the sweep area along the outer edge? Looks like the pads are just kissing the leftover ridge/lip.

Good eye!

Bill
 
Here are a couple of ways to bed in your brakes.


After installing new pads make 6 to 10 stops from approximately 35 mph with moderate pressure. Make an additional two to three hard stops from approximately 40 to 45 mph. Do not allow the vehicle to come to a complete stop. When completed with this process, park the vehicle and allow the brakes to cool completely before driving on them again. Do not engage the parking brake until after this cooling process is compete!


Then there is this one. It's a bit more radical, and more for high performance brakes.


  1. From 60mph, gently apply the brakes a couple of times to bring them up to operating temperature. This prevents you from thermally shocking the rotors and pads in the next steps.
  2. Make eight to ten near-stops from 60mph to about 20 mph. Do it HARD by pressing the brakes firmly, but do not lock the wheels or engage ABS. At the end of each slowdown, immediately accelerate back to 60mph, then apply the brakes again. DO NOT COME TO A COMPLETE STOP! If you stop completely, with your foot on the brake pedal, pad material will be imprinted onto the hot rotors, which could lead to vibration and uneven braking.
  3. The brakes may begin to fade after the 7th or 8th near-stop. This fade will stabilize, but not completely go away until the brakes have fully cooled. A strong smell from the brakes, and even some smoke, is normal.
  4. After the last near-stop, accelerate back up to speed and cruise for a few minutes, using the brakes as little as possible to allow them to cool down. Try not to become trapped in traffic or come to a complete stop while the brakes are still hot.
  5. If full race pads, such as Hawk DTC-70 or Performance Friction PFC11 are being used, add four near-stops from 80 to 20 mph.
  6. After the break-in cycle, there should be a slight blue tint and a light gray film on each rotor face. The blue tint tells you the rotor has reached break-in temperature and the gray film is pad material starting to transfer onto the rotor face. This is what you are looking for. The best braking occurs when there is an even layer of of pad material deposited across the rotors. This minimizes squealing, increases braking torque, and maximizes pad and rotor life.
After the first break in cycle shown above, the brakes may still not be fully broken in. A second bed-in cycle, AFTER the brakes have cooled down fully from the first cycle, may be necessary before the brakes really start to perform well. This is especially true if you have installed new pads on old rotors, since the pads need some usage to conform to the rotor wear pattern. If you've just installed a big brake kit, pedal travel may not feel as firm as you expected. After the second bedding cycle, the pedal will become noticeably firmer. If necessary, bleed the brakes to improve pedal firmness.

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I generally used the first one, plus 2~3 stops from at least 60~70 and it always works. ;)
I really can't recommend *normal* street brakes being hammered right off the bat from 60 like that. :eek: If you'll start slow, then work up it should be fine. They WILL heat up and smell pretty badly. Just don't come to a complete stop with your foot on the brake.... slow it down then let it roll.
Thing is, now that they were never bedded in properly (if they are really giving you problems) you'll likely end up having to pull them and either sand them down or start with new pads.
The garage should have either bedded them in themselves, or given you instructions on how to do it! (Although nobody I know will do that, they just don't.) :rolleyes:

Thanks so much for this dude. I've pretty much done exacly what you said and no more squeaking!

One question though, what on earth causes this horrible looking rust? I seem to clean it all and then a few days later it's back. Makes my car look super ugly. :(
 
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