How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1950 Cadillac?

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How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1950 Cadillac?



Anytime I get questions via e-mail, a PM or a FB message I prefer to invest my typing time where

A: It's easier for me to share links, pictures and videos.

B: More people can read and thus benefit from the information. (no just one set of eyeballs)


So I get an e-mail asking,



Hi Mike, I enjoyed speaking with you on the phone last week about the all original 1950 Cadillac.

I have worked on the chrome and got it straight as can be. I spent about 4 hours just on that.

Due to schedule conflicts with the owner of the car I didn’t get to the paint yet. I have attached several pics. They are of the car when we first pulled it out.

Pic #1 is after wash and chrome done.

In pic #3 you can see the swirl marks and other defects.

The paint has a great gloss to it for the age. Fortunately he had it waxed before it was stored 20 years ago. The initial plan was to follow your article about putting Glaze#7 on first then trying the Menzerna 3 in 1.

The paint doesn’t look dried out.

Do you think I can proceed as we spoke of with the Menzerna 3 in 1?

I am going to test a section and see the results.

Here is what I was considering. Step 1 3 in 1, Step 2 Glaze, Step 3 either pure Carnauba wax or one blended with polymers.

I follow your advice to the letter usually.

So I really appreciate your input. The swirls are numerous, but I want to be as gentle as possible with this.

Thanks,

Tom






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Hi Tom,

I enjoyed talking to you also about this project. I owned a 1949 Cadillac some year ago so I'm very familiar with the body styles of these cars.

The good news is Cadillac used GREAT single stage paint back then and it should shine up like a brand new car.

I'd do the following, since you've already washed it,




Step 1: Clay the paint to remove bonded contaminants, do the Baggie Test and tell me what you find.

If you're not sure how to do the baggie test, here's how-to article.

The Baggie Test as seen on Competition Ready TV with AJ and Mike Phillips




Step 2: Machine apply the Menzerna 3-in-1. This is a great one-step cleaner/wax and it will or should remove a lot of the swirls. I'd test out a simple "polishing" pad first as old single stage paint tends to be dry, brittle and also soft. If a polishing pad isn't removing the swirls and scratches very well you can then test out a foam "cutting" pad.

In order of aggressiveness from most aggressive to least aggressive,

  1. Foam cutting pads
  2. Foam polishing pads
  3. Foam finishing pads
  4. Foam waxing pads


Comment: I forget if you have a polisher and if you do what type? You really want to stay safe on paint like this and I would recommend a simple orbital polisher like the Griot's Garage 6" DA Orbital Polishers. Here's an article that goes over this tool, the backing plates and pads for it. There's also a video that shows how to use a simple orbital polisher to compound, polish and wax. By the way, it also shows how to do the baggie test and how to use detailing clay to remove contaminants off the paint.

Here's what you need to get into machine polishing - Recommendations for a beginner by Mike Phillips




Step 3: After you buff out the paint using the Menzerna 3-in-1 cleaner/wax, then machine apply or hand apply an application of the #7. At this point in the game it's not to remove oxidation as that will already be over, this is to gorge the pigments with the TS oils or Trade Secret Oils found in the Meguiar's #7 since the time cars were invented and then car paint was invented. I'd suggest applying to a panel at a time and then remove. #7 is very oily, don't let it dry and wipe it off immediately using either clean microfiber towels or even better, soft well worn cotton terry cloth. I will usually cut up old bath towels, cut off the edging and use terry cloth as the stoutness of the nap or "loop of fiber" helps to slice into the oily film of #7 and break it up to make it easier to remove.

NOTE: When wiping off the #7 you don't have to remove it 100%, just aim to get most it off. If you still see streaks or smears, no big deal, they'll come off with the wax.




Step 4: Apply a traditional Carnauba Finishing Wax. The word finishing means non-cleaning. Another term for a non-cleaning wax would be a show car wax. The Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax is an excellent choice for cars like this after this type of process. Remember to follow directions for whatever wax you use. If the directions say to wipe-on and then wipe-off, the do it. If they say to allow the wax to dry to a haze or dry such and such minutes, then do it. The chemist provides the writer with the technical information for any pro quality products and the chemist knows what they are talking about.

MOST IMPORTANT: All the way through the process and especially for wiping off the wax, be sure to inspect your towels before "touching" the paint with them. If you're unsure, here's an article with a video, directions and pictures.


How, why & when to inspect your microfiber towels when detailing cars




Step 5:
Stand back and admire the results. Take the car for a spin and show it off. Invite the neighbors over for a barbecue and feature the car in the driveway.


Most of all have fun.


I've been typing the below for years, I'm actually the only guy that shares this "idea" on the net....


The opportunity to restore the original single stage paint on a classic car is becoming more and more rare. So enjoy it when you can.



And to put things in context, after you restore the original paint on this 1950 Cadillac there will be ONE LESS car in the world, with single stage paint on it, to restore.


Hope the above helps, feel free to e-mail me any "process pictures" and "after pictures" and I'll share them in this thread to inspire others.



:)
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

Nice Mike. :props:

I was hoping you would suggest to send it down to me. What a stunner, I'd be pretty happy to sink my teeth into this. :buffing: Lets hope the owner is a member or will join Autogeek Online & share the progress & outcome with the forum members.

Another one down aye Mike . . . one less for me.


Aaryn NZ. :dblthumb2:
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

That photo of the rear deck/trunk looks like the clarity is ready to be brought out. It's looks like the perfect paint is just sitting there ready to be polished.

I wonder what made the Cadillacs paint so good back in that era. I wonder if they had better skilled painters, or spent more time on the Cadillac vs the other cars back in day.


Mike,

Could you please ask that Cadillac owner to send you photos of the finished product so we can drool over the original polished 70 year old paint:)
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

Nice Mike. :props:

I was hoping you would suggest to send it down to me. What a stunner, I'd be pretty happy to sink my teeth into this. :buffing: Lets hope the owner is a member or will join Autogeek Online & share the progress & outcome with the forum members.

Another one down aye Mike . . . one less for me.


Aaryn NZ. :dblthumb2:

Great idea Aaryn. Mike, convince the owner to join AGO!
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

Great idea Aaryn. Mike, convince the owner to join AGO!


If you pay attention to these types of threads I create for people that contact me via Facebook or via E-mail, I try to include the below in my reply somewhere to make it easy for them...


And of course, your best tool is this forum so instead of sending me e-mails, why not just join the forum and interact with me here where I prefer to type out in-depth answers.


Click here to join the AutogeekOnline Detailing Discussion Forum



That said, some people just don't get on computers or forums.

No big deal but I still bring everything to the forum, not enough time to type for one set of eyeballs.


It's all good in the end....


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Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

Hi here is an update. I am doing this car in stages due to client's schedule. In these pics I have used the claybar and the Menzerna 3 in 1 with a green CCS pad.
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

Fantastic! :props: Welcome to Autogeek Online.

Nice work, the results look stunning for an AIO, I can't wait to see it all completed. Super cool car, & a super rare opportunity to work on some real paint too. Are you planning on giving it a dose of Meguiars #7 afterwards?

Awesome work mate, thank you for the update too. :props:

Aaryn NZ. :dblthumb2:
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

Thanks, It took some time, but the results were better than I expected. Yes and Carnauba wax on top. I had thought about putting a polymer on top like my favorite Pinnacle Black Label 850. But since it will be garaged and not exposed to the elements, I might just stick to the old school formula for the Cadillac.
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

TJKII,

Thanks for posting the pictures of the super cool Cadillac. That paint looks incredible. Amazing results from an AIO. Good decision on the wax over polymer. Looking forward to the finished product.
 
Re: How do I carefully restore the original paint on a 1959 Cadillac?

Hi here is an update.

I am doing this car in stages due to client's schedule.

In these pics I have used the claybar and the Menzerna 3 in 1 with a green CCS pad.


Hi Tom,

Thank you for joining the forum and sharing updates and pictures.


I take almost all e-mails and Facebook messages to this forum as I don't have time to type of one set of eyeballs and while I ask and encourage everyone that sends me an e-mail or a Facebook message to join the forum where we can interact together many don't and this shows me that if it's not important to them then hey... it's not that important to me.

So when someone does make the effort to join and interact I really do appreciate it.

I've downloaded and then uploaded your pictures above to your gallery here on the forum so I could insert them for everyone to see more easily....


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And just to double check, all of the above results are after applying the Menzerna 3-in-1 or after applying the Menzerna 3-in-1 plus applying the #7?



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Hi Tom,

Thank you for joining the forum and sharing updates and pictures.


I take almost all e-mails and Facebook messages to this forum as I don't have time to type of one set of eyeballs and while I ask and encourage everyone that sends me an e-mail or a Facebook message to join the forum where we can interact together many don't and this shows me that if it's not important to them then hey... it's not that important to me.

So when someone does make the effort to join and interact I really do appreciate it.

I've downloaded and then uploaded your pictures above to your gallery here on the forum so I could insert them for everyone to see more easily....


1950_Caddy_11.jpg


1950_Caddy_12.jpg


1950_Caddy_13.jpg


1950_Caddy_14.jpg


1950_Caddy_15.jpg




And just to double check, all of the above results are after applying the Menzerna 3-in-1 or after applying the Menzerna 3-in-1 plus applying the #7?


Just the Menzerna 3 in 1 so far.

I will be doing the next steps of #7 and wax this weekend.


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Just the Menzerna 3 in 1 so far.

I will be doing the next steps of #7 and wax this weekend.


:)



Good to hear, looks great so far.

At this point I would recommend applying the #7 using either a soft foam wax applicator or via machine like a simple orbital (Porter Cable/Griot's Garage 6" DA), using a soft foam polishing or finishing pad.


The use of terry cloth is only when removing oxidation. After the oxidation is removed and the #7 is being used to gorge the paint and maximize the full richness of color for the pigments - terry cloth is no longer needed and you want to use something soft and gentle to the paint.

Apply well, massage in and over paint, remove immediately. Don't worry about removing 100% of the oily film, I get about 95% of the #7 off and then apply my LSP.

Any residual oils will mix with the wax and then wipe off with the wax.

Don't worry about "bonding" or all the other nonsense the AR crowd brings up for wax and sealant applications to single stage paints. It's simply not a crucial factor.


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Mike, I am revisiting the 1950 Cadillac this week. Due to owner's schedule I haven't been able to complete the car. I have an interior question. When we washed the car for the first time in 20 years. The seals leaked a bit, and left water marks on the original vinyl seat covers. What technique / product would you use to remove them. The owner wanted mew to use a rug doctor on it, but I am a little unsure of using that on it. He does not want to remove them for fear of not getting them back on.
 
Mike, I am revisiting the 1950 Cadillac this week.

Due to owner's schedule I haven't been able to complete the car. I have an interior question.

When we washed the car for the first time in 20 years. The seals leaked a bit, and left water marks on the original vinyl seat covers. What technique / product would you use to remove them. The owner wanted mew to use a rug doctor on it, but I am a little unsure of using that on it. He does not want to remove them for fear of not getting them back on.


Sorry for the delay but I just now found your post.

Where are you at with this?


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Hi Mike,

I'm curious as to why you recommended a cleaner wax instead of a polish in Step 2? Especially since you applied a finishing wax in Step 4.

Is the cleaner wax more gentle / safer for the old, single-stage paint?
 
Sorry for the delay but I just now found your post.

Where are you at with this?


:)

As far as the exterior, I got the all in one stage done. I haven't got to the #7 stage.

At this point I will use a waterless wash in the spring and then apply it. Right now the Menzerna all in one at least has some protection on it. I do wish the Black Fire product was out then. The results seem to look even better, at least in the pictures. I'm not sure how much better it is. As far as the seats that I was asking about. I didn't want to use an interior machine. So, I just used a slightly wet microfiber to go over the water marks. Surprisingly iyt worked. On the stubborn marks I added just a touch of VLR and it took care of them.

Hopefully this thread will remain and I will post to it when I revisit the car.


:)
 
Hi Mike,

I'm curious as to why you recommended a cleaner wax instead of a polish in Step 2?

Especially since you applied a finishing wax in Step 4.

Is the cleaner wax more gentle / safer for the old, single-stage paint?


Hi derass,

If you go back and read my reply IN the first post you can tell by what I wrote that I spoke with the owner on the phone,

Mike Phillips said:
Hi Tom,

I enjoyed talking to you also about this project.

The owner told me he ALREADY OWNED Menzerna 3-in-1 - which is a one-step cleaner/wax or cleaner/sealant, same thing, different protection ingredients.

That's why I recommended it - because he already owns it and it is a very good product and by that I mean it uses very good abrasive technology. If you read enough of my posts on this forum you'll see I'm keen on using products that use great abrasive technology - to me it IS the most important factor when it comes to polishing paint.

Great question - thank you for asking.


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Hopefully this thread will remain and I will post to it when I revisit the car.


:)


This thread will remain.

Just to note - we NEVER delete threads on this forum. Threads and posts can be "MOVED" to the Moderators Forum Group but never deleted for legal reasons.


So yeah... your thread will be here when you're ready to update it. Just bookmark it so you can find it easily.


:)
 
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