How long to wait before applying wax on top of sealant?

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I am planning to apply 2 coats of Klasse sealant and then 1 or 2 coats of Collinite 845.

I am aware that an hour is the cure time for the sealant, and I have to wait around 10 hours before applying another coat of sealant

But what about the wax? Can I start applying the wax right after I buff off the second coat of sealant? Or should I wait another 10 hours or so?

Thanks in advance
 
I would wait the minimum 10 hours before topping the sealant again.

Most waxes can be topped right after each other, but I believe Collinite may have a suggested cure time of 12 hours due to the polymers.
 
acuRAS82 said:
I would wait the minimum 10 hours before topping the sealant again.

Most waxes can be topped right after each other, but I believe Collinite may have a suggested cure time of 12 hours due to the polymers.
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So, is this how I should do it?:

Apply Klasse

Wait 1 hour

Buff it off

Wait 10 hours

Apply 2nd coat of Klasse

Wait 1 hour

Buff it off

Wait 12 hours

Apply Collinite
 
Seems like a complete waste of time, doesn’t it?
 
I think what he is saying is the duplication of the effort with all the layering and waiting. Both the Klasse and the Collinite are highly durable sealants which look good on their own. There probably is little/no gain in layering those two products. You would also have to keep the vehicle clean, which means either leaving it in the garage the whole time, or washing it between each layer if it's being driven.

I'd simply put down a coat of either one and enjoy the results. After each wash you can hit it with a QD or spray wax to keep it looking freshly detailed.
 
Desertnate said:
I think what he is saying is the duplication of the effort with all the layering and waiting. Both the Klasse and the Collinite are highly durable sealants which look good on their own. There probably is little/no gain in layering those two products. You would also have to keep the vehicle clean, which means either leaving it in the garage the whole time, or washing it between each layer if it's being driven.

I'd simply put down a coat of either one and enjoy the results. After each wash you can hit it with a QD or spray wax to keep it looking freshly detailed.
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Ah. Ok.

But since I have these products, I would like to use both of them. I've read about layering these products multiple times even on this forum, but I think anything more than 2 coats is overkill.

Speaking of durability, I don't find Klasse as durable as other sealants I used before...
 
I would recommend polishing the paint surface before applying the Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze. Once the Klasse Sealant Glaze cures you can layer it with the Collinite #845.
 
mrq0604 said:
Ah. Ok.

But since I have these products, I would like to use both of them. I've read about layering these products multiple times even on this forum, but I think anything more than 2 coats is overkill.

Speaking of durability, I don't find Klasse as durable as other sealants I used before...
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You could make it easy on yourself by simply applying 1 coat of Klasse and riding it out until your 1st bucket wash [lets say about a week] and then apply your 2nd product [Colinite]? immediately after your wash/dry.
 
Eldorado2k said:
You could make it easy on yourself by simply applying 1 coat of Klasse and riding it out until your 1st bucket wash [lets say about a week] and then apply your 2nd product [Colinite]? immediately after your wash/dry.
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Is this allowed? Wouldn't driving the car contaminate it, hence requiring claying?
 
Bobby B. said:
I would recommend polishing the paint surface before applying the Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze. Once the Klasse Sealant Glaze cures you can layer it with the Collinite #845.
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Never polished before. Gonna try it on panels I pick up at junkyard before actually doing it on my car
 
Eldorado2k said:
You could make it easy on yourself by simply applying 1 coat of Klasse and riding it out until your 1st bucket wash [lets say about a week] and then apply your 2nd product [Colinite]? immediately after your wash/dry.
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Also, is there a benefit to applying the wax after the first bucket wash?
 
mrq0604 said:
Is this allowed? Wouldn't driving the car contaminate it, hence requiring claying?
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If your paint somehow already has bonded contaminants that won’t wash off within a week of applying your lsp.... Then you need to chuck that so called lsp in the trash. Lol.

mrq0604 said:
Also, is there a benefit to applying the wax after the first bucket wash?
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Yes, your paint will be clean vs. dusty/dirty when you apply it.
Or you could do it the tedious way, which is applying 1 product, allowing the car sit for 12hrs. while hoping no dust/dirt forms on the finish [which is next to impossible] and then apply the 2nd lsp onto a dusty surface... Or you could quik detail it 1st. [but then again a bucket wash will always get a vehicle cleaner than just a quik detail wipedown, so it doesn’t hurt]
 
Eldorado2k said:
If your paint somehow already has bonded contaminants that won’t wash off within a week of applying your lsp.... Then you need to chuck that so called lsp in the trash. Lol.



Yes, your paint will be clean vs. dusty/dirty when you apply it.
Or you could do it the tedious way, which is applying 1 product, allowing the car sit for 12hrs. while hoping no dust/dirt forms on the finish [which is next to impossible] and then apply the 2nd lsp onto a dusty surface... Or you could quik detail it 1st. [but then again a bucket wash will always get a vehicle cleaner than just a quik detail wipedown, so it doesn’t hurt]
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Can I not just wash the car after 12 hours then (which I do to remove residue)? Is there a reason I have to wait a week before first bucket wash?
 
mrq0604 said:
Can I not just wash the car after 12 hours then (which I do to remove residue)? Is there a reason I have to wait a week before first bucket wash?
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You don’t have to wait a week, but you also don’t have to rush into washing something that just had an LSP put on.
 
mrq0604 said:
Also, is there a benefit to applying the wax after the first bucket wash?
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The benifit is time. There is no set rule on how far in the future you apply the second layer, so rather than having your vehicle out of commision for a day or more waiting for the previous layer to cure properly, your drive it for a week or so and after the next wash lay down the second coat. If you only wait or two, a good wash should get the surface clean enough to apply a second coat of a sealant without any issues.

I never layerd 845 on or under anything, but I did layer Klasse occasionally. Typically I'd do just what Eldorado2K mentions: Apply one coat, wait until the next wash and aftery drying the car, another coat would be applied.
 
Desertnate said:
The benifit is time. There is no set rule on how far in the future you apply the second layer, so rather than having your vehicle out of commision for a day or more waiting for the previous layer to cure properly, your drive it for a week or so and after the next wash lay down the second coat. If you only wait or two, a good wash should get the surface clean enough to apply a second coat of a sealant without any issues.

I never layerd 845 on or under anything, but I did layer Klasse occasionally. Typically I'd do just what Eldorado2K mentions: Apply one coat, wait until the next wash and aftery drying the car, another coat would be applied.
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I don't care about not driving my car. I've driven it less than several hundred miles this year. If I take it out for a drive, I want the car to be perfect. Time is no issue for me
 
mrq0604 said:
Can I start applying the wax right after
I buff off the second coat of sealant?
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Regardless of which coat of Sealant:
first, second, etc.; and, in order to
give Sealants the most opportunity to
attain the highest level of all of their
inherent characteristics...

I try my best to:
1.) follow the manufacturers’ recommended
drying-times and curing-times.

Or:

2.) give Sealants at least somewhere around
12 hours of cure-time between the “layering”
of either:
a.) another coat of the same Sealant
(only to ensure total surface coverage
has been accomplished);
b.) or, a coat of a different Sealant or Wax.


•Does away with all the guesswork for me.


Bob
 
mrq0604 said:
I don't care about not driving my car. I've driven it less than several hundred miles this year. If I take it out for a drive, I want the car to be perfect. Time is no issue for me
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Think of it this way... If you do it all at once in 1 day you’ll have that just waxed look once. If you do it how we’re suggesting, you’ll enjoy that just waxed look twice.

IMHO it’s not going to make a world of difference looks wise if you apply both the same day. You probably won’t even be able to tell.

Take this for example.
This fender was machine polished with McKee’s Jeweling Wax.

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And this fender was machine polished with Meguiars D166 Ultra Polishing Wax.

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Can you tell the difference? Neither can I... I spent almost 20min. inspecting each fender from every angle possible, and I couldn’t see even a slight difference.

You’ll likely experience the same thing, but we sometimes get caught up in the moment and make ourselves believe we see a difference.... And that’s perfectly fine. It’s your car, your time, your fun. Have at it.
 
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