How many pads do I need to buff out my car?

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How many pads do I need to buff out my car?


Some guys try to buff out entire cars with a single pad per product. That's usually due to inexperience. Thus when they make their initial purchase they don't know to get more pads versus less pads.

Once a person gets into the middle of the correction step and their one or two foam pads are wet with product, (pad saturation), and if they're paying attention they notice it's taking longer to get the same work done than when they first started with a clean, dry pad, then it starts to sink in that more pads are better.

The correction step is the most pad intensive step so get more correction pads, these would be cutting pads.

Polishing goes faster as you're only cleaning up what the correction step left behind and maximizing gloss and clarity.

If you machine apply your waxes and sealants then you really only need one pad for this step.


For a 1965 Mustang or for a 2015 Honda Accord and the paint is trashed, that is filled with swirls, scratches, water spots and oxidation, then here's a good rule of thumb for the optimum number of pads to have on hand assuming you're using a Porter Cable type dual action polisher.


NOTE the below recommendations are MINIMUMS - Let your budget be your guide.


Porter Cable 7424XP
Correction = Orange LC Flat Pad
Polishing = White or Black LC Flat Pad
Sealing = Blue LC Flat Pad

Correction step = 6 pads
1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
2 for driver's side
2 for passenger side


Polishing step = 4 pads (You could probably get away with 3 if you use 1 for hood, roof and trunk lid)

1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
1 for driver's side
1 for passenger side

Sealing the paint step = 1 waxing pad
Use over entire vehicle




For a Flex 3401
Correction = Orange Hybrid
Polishing = White Hybrid
Sealing = Black Hybrid

From experience, you can push the orange hybrid pads further than most pads plus the Flex 3401 simply doesn't care if the pads are wet with product it's going to rotate them no matter what. Not that using a squishy wet pad is a good thing just saying...

One thing for sure, a fresh, clean, dry orange hybrid pad with a top notch compound cuts fast on the Flex 3401.

Correction step = 6 pads
1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
2 for driver's side
2 for passenger side

Polishing step = 4 pads (You could probably get away with 3 if you use 1 for hood, roof and trunk lid)

1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
1 for driver's side
1 for passenger side

Sealing the paint step = 1 waxing pad
Use over entire vehicle



For Rupes Bigfoot

Same as pads for a Porter Cable. Basically, more is better and as soon as any pad starts to become wet with product it's going to be faster and more effective to switch to a clean, dry pad.




Big picture...

Being able to switch to a clean dry pad always trumps plowing through with a wet soggy pad. Foam pads become wet or saturated with product the longer you buff, that's just the nature of foam and liquids.

A fresh, clean dry pad works better, whether it's for major correction work or minor polishing work.

A fresh, clean dry pad make you and your time more effective and enables you to do any paint polishing process as fast as possible.

Switching to a fresh clean, dry pad OFTEN means less wear-n-tear on pads in general and you'll get more use or extended life out of each pad overall. Pushing a pad to the point that it's completely saturated with product wears out the foam, the Velcro and the adhesive faster than stopping the use of the pad after a panel or two.

Buffing with wet pads increases the heat retention inside the pad and to the backing plate and heat is never a good thing in any buffing process.

There's only positive aspects to having more pads as compared to having less pads.



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Thank you Mike for this thread, I was just thinking about this as I am new to DA's. One question I have is, how do pad washers come into play? For example, can you wash your cutting pad, spin dry, re-prime and continue using it or is it recommended to still use a new dry pad since the washed pad will be damp?
 
For my Detailing Boot Camp Classes we go through a LOT of pads....



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Thank you for your valued information! Have a wonderful day!!
 
Such valuable information Mike. Thanks again for sharing.
 
This is hugely helpful.

1 thing that confused me

"Correction step = 6 pads
1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
1 for driver's side
1 for passenger side"

Was it supposed to be just 4, or should it match the PC?

Thanks Mike
 
VERY helpful information. I wish I had purchased more pads my first time around. Also I made the mistake of getting 6" pads when I really needed 5".
 
thank you and quick question, are the CG Hexlogic pads equivalent to the LC Flat? I read a review in which you really liked the new Meg's pads.. what about those? BTW, I have a 7424XP
 
Thank you Mike for this thread, I was just thinking about this as I am new to DA's. One question I have is, how do pad washers come into play? For example, can you wash your cutting pad, spin dry, re-prime and continue using it or is it recommended to still use a new dry pad since the washed pad will be damp?

Same question here.
 
This is great to know! I was going to eyeball the time to change foam pads as I work.
 
I don't have my pad washer yet, but you still want them to be relatively dry after washing. So instead of six correction pads you could get away with three: correct the panel, wash the pad, spin it out, roll and wring it in a clean Terry towel and set it Velcro side up on an old cookie cooling rack to dry while you continue with the next panel. If you have a floor fan you can rig it up to blow downward, turn it to Low and set the pad on it (but don't be blowing dust all over the place!).
 
This is hugely helpful.

1 thing that confused me

"Correction step = 6 pads
1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
1 for driver's side
1 for passenger side"

Was it supposed to be just 4, or should it match the PC?

Thanks Mike

I saw EXACTLY what you were talking about. ;)

(BELOW)

For a Flex 3401
Correction = Orange Hybrid
Polishing = White Hybrid
Sealing = Black Hybrid

From experience, you can push the orange hybrid pads further than most pads plus the Flex 3401 simply doesn't care if the pads are wet with product it's going to rotate them no matter what. Not that using a squishy wet pad is a good thing just saying...

One thing for sure, a fresh, clean, dry orange hybrid pad with a top notch compound cuts fast on the Flex 3401.

Correction step = 6 pads
1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
1 for driver's side
1 for passenger side


1+ 1+ 1+ 1 = 4


As you noted, Charleston... the PC had 6, the Flex had 4. ;)

Me personally...... with most vehicles I'll use 2 on the hood, especially on a larger vehicle, or sports coupe with a long hood. If for no other reason, it's the place that gets the most attention, that the owner walks by every time they get into the vehicle, that they look down and over as they drive. I'll also use 2 on the sides, 1 on the front half, another on the back, (and maybe 2 on the roof like say if it's a SUV). Then for sure a different one on the front and back bumpers, (albeit that can be a cleaned one that was used already). (But that's just me..... ) :rolleyes:
 
With having a pad washer, a pad cleaning brush, and "cleaning on the fly", I have not had the need for multiple numbers of pads for each process (compounding, polishing, and sealing/waxing.) Am I missing something? Please advise.

Roger T
 
With having a pad washer, a pad cleaning brush, and "cleaning on the fly", I have not had the need for multiple numbers of pads for each process (compounding, polishing, and sealing/waxing.) Am I missing something? Please advise.

Roger T

I don't have the pad washer, but do use both a brush, air, as well as "clean on the fly". I do use pad cleaner, and once all is said and done will hand clean everything. Even with a pad washer however you need the pads to be dry before using them again. Sure, spinning them will pull most of the water out, but those pads are still wet. The critical part is when the moisture gets up near the Velcro and you keep using them.

While pads are not exactly a fortune, they are not throw away either. I can do a vehicle with 4 cutting pads, but that requires rotating them, 'first in - first out' and doing a LOT of cleaning on the fly. Even with that the internals of the pads tend to heat up, which means I don't do the entire vehicle 'non-stop'. So yeah.... 4 can do a vehicle, but I'll take a break, grab a bite, (probably wash them after the first 2 are used, then again with the second 2, then put them on a coke crate in front of/on top of a fan), and hope the first ones are either cool and/or dry enough to use when I start back up.
 
This is hugely helpful.

1 thing that confused me

"Correction step = 6 pads
1 for the hood
1 for the roof and trunk lid
1 for driver's side
1 for passenger side"

Was it supposed to be just 4, or should it match the PC?

Thanks Mike

Good catch and match the PC



You typically need more for compounding. A previous post from another thread of Mike's said:
1 hood
1 roof
2 passenger
2 driver

Post #6 here:http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...e-phillips/88082-number-pads-new-project.html


Thanks for adding that....



The big picture is still...

More pads are better... if you want to cut fast and do the best work switch to a fresh, clean, dry pad.


:)
 
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