How to prime a foam pad when using a DA Polisher

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How to prime a foam pad when using a DA Polisher


Here are 3 ways to apply product to your pad.

1. Priming the pad then adding product to work with

Priming a clean, dry pad is considered the best approach for using a DA Polisher because it ensures that 100% of the working surface of the pad is wet with product and working at maximum efficiency when you turn the polisher on. I originally learned of this technique from my friend Kevin Brown.

Priming the pad also ensures that you don't have any dry portion of the pad working over the paint un-lubricated. This really isn't a risk because since you're just starting out you're going to be removing defects a lot more serious than would be caused by any portion of the pad that is dry and spinning against the paint.

Plus, after just a few passes, the product you apply to specific areas of the face of the pad will migrate over the entire face of the pad and it will do this rather quickly when you're on the higher speed settings.



Priming the Pad - For clean, dry pads
Start with a clean, dry pad and add some fresh product to be spread out to the face of the pad. Using your finger, spread the product out over the pad and then using your finger work it into the pores of the pad. Don't saturate the pad, just use enough product to make sure that 100% of the working face of the pad has product coverage.

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Work the product around the face of the pad and into the pores
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Any extra, take and apply to the outer edge until 100% of the working face of the pad is primed with product.
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As an option you can also prime the outer edge. This helps if you're buffing around convex curves or around panels that the edge of your buffing pad may come into contact with, like spoilers, side mirror housings, curved panels etc.

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Primed and ready to add "Working Product" to.
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Adding "Working Product" to the primed pad
Some people will recommend 3 to 4 pea size drops of product as the proper amount of product to use and this can be correct for concentrated products or working small sections and if you follow this advice make sure you are not under-lubricating the surface being worked.

Pea size drops of product
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For some products and paint conditions, you may want more product on the surface working for you. Here's an example of dime size drops of product.

Dime size drops of product
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How much product to use after priming

Ample
You want an AMPLE amount of product when first starting out because you pad is dry and some of the product is going to seep into the pad leaving less on the surface to LUBRICATE and ABRADE the paint

Cut down on the amount of product AFTER pad is broken-in...
After your pad is broken in with product, clean your pad after each section pass and when you apply fresh product you can cut down on the amount of product you actually apply to the face of your pad.


Too Little Product
Under-using product reduces lubricity and will make it more difficult for your pad to rotate efficiently.

Too Much Product
Using too much product will hyper-lubricate or over-lubricate the pad and will interfere with the abrasives ability to abrade the paint.


Keep in mind that you want enough product on the surface so you have,

  • Abrasives working for you.
  • A lubricating film between the paint and the pad.
Often times if you don't have enough product to work with you'll end up buffing to a dry buff. When you lose lubrication, friction increase and this can lead to micro-marring or hazing.



2. Applying a Circle Pattern of Product


Benefits to a Circle Pattern
As you work around the car you'll find that your product will migrate to the center on it's own. This can lead to pad saturation starting at the center of the pad where most of the heat is generated.

This can cause problems because wet foam will hold in heat better than dry foam and over time this can accelerate de-lamination between the hook & loop material and either the foam of the pad or the backing material on the backing plate.

Knowing this... I don't help the problem by using an X pattern as using an X-pattern means putting product onto the middle of the face of the pad.

If you're placing pea or dime sized amounts of product to the face of your pad then it's also a good idea to avoid placing the product directly in the center of the pad.

Circle Pattern on a clean dry pad and then worked for a Section Pass
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After working the circle of product over a section, you can see it spread the product out over the entire face of the pad without having to spread it with your finger. The pad is now equally primed with residual product.


Cut down on product after your first section pass
At this point you could clean your pad or add fresh product and when you add fresh product you can adjust how much product you apply.

In this example I used half a circle of product since 100% of the face of the pad is now primed from the previously applied and worked product.
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3. Applying an X-Pattern of Product
Applying your product to the face of your buffing pad using an X-pattern is a fast and simple way way to get product out of the bottle and onto the pad in a measured way that's easy to teach others and a method that's easy to duplicate over and over again.

X-Pattern on a clean dry pad and then worked for a Section Pass
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Cut down on product after your first section pass
After making a thorough Section Pass. The pad is now equally primed with residual product. At this point you could clean your pad or add fresh product and when you add fresh product you can adjust how much product you apply. In this example I used half an X-Pattern, or a single strip of product since the pad is already primed.

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Wet Buffing Technique

Maintain a wet film on the surface
The key is to have enough product on the surface as you're working a section to have a wet film of product that you can see on the surface behind the polisher as you move the polisher over the paint.
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Options

Pad Conditioners
Another option is to use a product called a Pad Conditioner to lubricate and condition the surface of a dry pad. This will improve the buffing cycle and provide protection to the paint surface to help prevent micro-marring during the initial break in of a dry pad. This will also make cutting pads which are usually very stiff and aggressive when dry more pliable to conform to the contours of body panels.

XMT Pad Conditioner
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Two things that come to mind are; beginners at both detailing and online forums such as Autogeek Online.

There are literally so many products, accessories, options, and uses even some of the mores experienced in detailing can be overwhelmed. This combined with what seems like a never ending stream of instructional sections covering every facet of this art will leave even the most brave at heart humbled.

Mike,

I think it's a great idea to breakout topics like this and post them separately for users to easily find and absorb...:props:
 
Thanks Mike for yet another great article, the best thing I learned from this is to not use as much product when moving on to another section pass, i will save money on product and maybe get better results from the pad working.
 
I am not a regular polisher but in my last uses with Menzerna I just primed the pad with about 2x my next section amount. I spread it around by finger and then attempted to spread on paint. If it could not cover the work area I added a couple dabs more. I found this technique to not over prime the pad (been known to do that) so it takes forever to get the initial section to break down. There is minimal risk of under applying since you will notice during the spreading pass. The worse that should happen is it flashes too quickly but this is easily fixed.
 
Great explanation.

As BobbyG stated for a newbie the choices are seemingly endless and overwhelming. When you take a focused approach to explaining a relatively simple part of the process it is invaluable. My take on it anyway.

Thanks Mike P. :props:

Mike
 
As always; excellent, straightforward, and extremely useful advice from a master. This and the knowledge I get from forum members' posts is what keeps me coming back. Thanks.
 
As always; excellent, straightforward, and extremely useful advice from a master. This and the knowledge I get from forum members' posts is what keeps me coming back. Thanks.
:iagree:I love these little tips because it's always so far between polishing on my own vehicles that this keeps me ready.
 
Thanks mike!
this is something i never did the right way. i would apply product to the pad, the glide the pad across the 2 x 2 work area without turning the power on, then apply drops where the pad has no product, spread product on speed 1 and check again to see if any more product is needed. i think with this method i can save TIME AND PRODUCT!
seriously mike, much thanks to you and AG Fam... because if i did not apply all of what i learned here 2 AG into my p/t detailing biz, i would not be half as successful and would make twice as many mistakes.
 
I think we first saw this style of pad priming in relation to the KBM a couple years back.

I know PorscheGuy997 was the first one I read. http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-university/17664-look-into-pad-priming.html


I think you're right. And I remember Chris's thread, I brought up MOL in 2004 and ran it till I came here in 2009 and Chris was and is a stellar member of the MOL forum. Chris was also a part of our Batmobile Extreme Makeover, so I'm very familiar with who Chris is as well as his positive contributions to the detailing world.

Chris working on Nate Truman's recreation of the 1966 Batmobile
Photo Courtesy of MeguiarsOnline
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And I'm not sure how many year's I've known Kevin but for quite a while... I was a part of the Instructor Team for both NXT ti Classes in 2004 and again in 2005

Here is Mike Phillips and Kevin Brown at the hand sanding station. You better sand correctly or Kevin Brown will make you do it over and over again. Practice makes perfect and if you do it the way these guys show you , you got it made!

Photo Courtesy of MeguiarsOnline
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And this is why I always tell everyone to be open to new ideas and I include myself in this practice also.

I was originally shown to use a X-pattern back in the late 1980's before the PC was ever introduced to the detailing world and we were using air powered DA Sanders with Meguiar's W5500 foam pads. Most people reading this won't even know what I'm talking about.

I document when the electric DA Polisher was introduced in this thread as most people don't know this information either...

Porter Cable 7424XP

Remember, the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher was originally introduced as a wood sander. It was introduced to the detailing world as a paint polisher by Meguiar's in the early 1990's. The oldest Brilliant Solutions Catalog I have in my collection goes back to 1995 and it shows it in there. That was long before most of these popular discussion forums even existed, let along the online stores.

Here's some pictures of my oldest catalogs... am trying to find out if there's any older catalogs than this...

The one on the left is from 1995 and the one on the right is from 1996, the catalog from 1995 documents Meguiar's introducing the G100 at least 13 years ago and before this we were showing people in the Professional Trade how to use air powered DA Sanders to polish paint by using our W5500 Foam Polishing Pad, which if you look closely is the actual pad on the Porter Cable unit pictured below, not a W-8006 on a W64 DA Backing Plate.

Photos courtesy of MeguiarsOnline.com
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The lettering is kind of fuzzy but you can make out that it says Porter Cable

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With a thin piece of sanding paper attached to the backing plate the counterweight might make a difference.

With a comparatively thick foam buffing pad and especially after it becomes wet with product, it doesn't seem to make any difference.


Then when I taught classes for Meguiar's from 2002 to 2009 that was the way we did it during the classes and no one at Meguiar's ever suggested changing the method. As simple as the idea of spreading the product out over the face of your pad with your finger is... it's just something I never did or demonstrated.

It does make sense and I'm all for using the best techniques. It does take a little longer to do and when working on TV every second is measured, seriously.

That said, all anyone has to do is go into their garage and place a X-pattern or a Circle-Pattern of product on to their foam pad and then make a few section passes and on it's own the product will move out and cover both the paint and the entire face of the pad, so the pad gets good coverage with product either way but by stating out and spreading the product out PURPOSEFULLY you insure 100% of the face of the pad is working from you from the VERY start.

Most of the videos I've made in the last 6-7 months I show this, in fact on this Motorhead Garage feature I show it,

New How-To Segment on Motorhead Garage - February 13th and 14th


I'm pretty sure I show it on one or two of the My Classic Car Features,

Autogeek's How-To Features on My Classic Car with Dennis Gage


I show it 3, 4, 5, maybe 6 and even 7 times in the 9 brand new Two Guys Garage Features all coming onto the airways now...

Behind the scenes pictures for 2 new TV projects


We demonstrated this technique in all of our DetailFest Classes that involved machine polishing.

Live Broadcasts
Watch it now! - DetailFest Saturday and Sunday Classes - Live Broadcast!
6 Videos - Approximately 1 hour long each!



And most of the new videos on our Online Classes website also show this techniqeu....





So not only do I recommend to people to be open to new ideas but I practice it myself...


Another thing I type once in a while is that online detailers and enthusiast detailers almost always know more than those that don't hang out on detailing discussion forums because there's so much new information and new products being introduced all the time that the only way to keep up and get this type of information is through forums.


Even still... hundreds of thousands of cars have been successfully buffed out using an X-Pattern or a Circle-Pattern when applying product to a clean dry pad, or a pad that has been broken in. I know, because I've buffed out a few cars using that approach...

Here's three examples...

Sniper built by Troy Trepanier
Before this picture was taken the finish was filled with holograms or rotary buffer swirls and I removed them using only a DA Polisher and probably the Circle-Pattern of applying my product to the face of the pad.

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Chip Foose's Challenging Challenger...
(Back when I wore a flattop)

Photos Courtesy of MeguiarsOnline
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Then next weekend the owner took two first places after we removed the swirls, scratches an stains our of the paint.
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Steve Metz's Panic Parrot - A 1950 Studebaker Starlight Coup

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Everyone can find a way that works best for them, I'm convinced that spreading the product out over the entire face of the pad when starting with a clean, dry pad is the best way to prime the pad before starting to work the product and as such I now incorporate it anytime I'm working on a car or showing others how to work on cars.


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Thanks for another great article Mike :dblthumb2:
 
So let me think and see if I am getting this right...
1) Prime Clean Dry Pad
2) Use pad on Da for a section of the vehicle
3) Work Clean, and clean your pad either with MF towell (Quick) or Pad Cleaner
4) Do I need to re prime pad if I used the pad cleaner????

This is where I am confused.... Whats the difference if I am just starting or I have done a section and cleaned with a pad cleaner???

Thanks
Signed....Confused....:)

Tom
 
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So let me think and see if I am getting this right...
1) Prime Clean Dry Pad
2) Use pad on Da for a section of the vehicle
3) Work Clean, and clean your pad either with MF towel (Quick) or Pad Cleaner

Clean pad with nylon brush, on the fly technique which is terry cloth, or using a pad washer and then blotting any excess water/cleaning solution out of foam. Point being to remove both,

  • Spent product
  • Removed paint
Before adding fresh product.

4) Do I need to re prime pad if I used the pad cleaner????

If you use the pad washer you could re-prime the pad with the product you're using because the pad washer will effectively have removed all the good product from the pad.

Some people will just add more "working product" to the face of the pad and get back to work, some will opt to "prime" the pad and then add "working product" to the face of the pad.

Priming first will likely ensure maximum performance from the tool, pad and product, not priming and just using working product to a pad already moist will still get the job done.

Millions of cars have been buffed out using both styles...

Don't make buffing out your car rocket science, I only say this in the kindest way because there's so much information and so many opinions and yet it's really pretty simple...

KISS - Keep it Simple Simon


:)
 
So just spraying a quick detailer or lubricator is not good enough?

Also, what is a section pass?
 
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