If I claybar, do I need to use a cleaner wax/polish before wax?

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OK, after much deliberation I have settled on using collinite 845. I plan on washing, then claybarring with Meguiar's.

My question is, should I go right to applying the collinite after I clay or should I use Meguiar's cleaner wax in between?

Either way, how long should I wait after claybarring to apply collinite, or if I should use the cleaner wax, how long should I wait after that before applying the collinite?

Thanks guys, you have already been a ton of help!
 
If the paint is in good shape go straight to collinite.

If not cleaner wax will remove light oxidation from paint.
 
toycar18 said:
If the paint is in good shape go straight to collinite.

If not cleaner wax will remove light oxidation from paint.
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The paint looks pretty good. Just some normal marks, scratches, etc. (nothing that cleaner wax would remove I don't think)

Here are some quick pics:

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Do a Test Spot with the Cleaner Wax to see if you notice any improvement

A Cleaner Wax can remove stains that a clay bar is not designed to address


Take some close-up pictures of it...interested to see your results
 
If you're comfortable with the paint, then you can move right on to waxing (provided you've washed away any clay residue).

On that color it may be difficult to tell, but claying almost invariably leads to at least some marring. I usually follow up claying with a fine polish prior to LSP.
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
If you're comfortable with the paint, then you can move right on to waxing (provided you've washed away any clay residue).

On that color it may be difficult to tell, but claying almost invariably leads to at least some marring. I usually follow up claying with a fine polish prior to LSP.
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This is the first I've heard of this. What do you by marring? It harms the clear coat?
Also, am I supposed to wash the car again after claying? Everyone I have talked to has said a rinse at the most.
 
What about p21S paint cleanser...is that the same as "cleaning wax"
 
:iagree:.... if you're comfortable with where the paint is (IE don't want to do any paint correction) then there isn't any reason to (correct it) before just going ahead and hitting it with 845.

Although you REALLY need to at the very least go over it with some sort of QD spray to remove all the schmutz that claying will leave. Claying doesn't leave the surface particularly clean (as far as all the residue). It just removes embedded contaminates.

This would be the perfect time to hit it with a rinseless wash. :props:

Like that color though!:dblthumb2: Used to seeing red, black, dark green, even yellow but don't see metallic gold so much.
 
with the colder weather upon us fall/winter, no sense in doing a full correction. use a cleaner wax or light polish if the paint is a little dirty/contaminated, then top with the 845...
 
cardaddy said:
:iagree:.... if you're comfortable with where the paint is (IE don't want to do any paint correction) then there isn't any reason to (correct it) before just going ahead and hitting it with 845.

Although you REALLY need to at the very least go over it with some sort of QD spray to remove all the schmutz that claying will leave. Claying doesn't leave the surface particularly clean (as far as all the residue). It just removes embedded contaminates.

This would be the perfect time to hit it with a rinseless wash. :props:

Like that color though!:dblthumb2: Used to seeing red, black, dark green, even yellow but don't see metallic gold so much.
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I don't have a rinseless wash right now. Would washing it again with car soap make sense after claying?

And thanks! Took me a while to find this jeep!
 
comma said:
I don't have a rinseless wash right now. Would washing it again with car soap make sense after claying?

And thanks! Took me a while to find this jeep!
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You could.... it'd be easier, (and quicker) than the first time around. (For sure!) :props:

I'd suggest getting some rinseless though with cold weather coming up. For one that doesn't add any extra gloss, wax, etc. Meguiar's D114 is GREAT! :dblthumb2: Of course from there you can take your pick of half a dozen others. Here they'll say Blackfire, Pinnacle, DP to start with. And of course there's Ultima "UWWP+" that has threads all of it's own. ;) In years past you've heard more from guys using ONR or ONRWW but these days those are not as popular as they used to be. (Although I still add a bit of ONR to wash media on occasion, and even use ONR as a clay lube.) I can't really recommend Meguiar's D115 though because it's BOUNCING BONKERS expensive and can't really be diluted enough to make it affordable no matter how you 'cut' it. (Pun intended......)

Recently tried Duragloss 931/932 with AquaWax built in and it's NICE!

You did good though.... in the Jeep search.:props:
 
If I use cleaner wax after the clay, would that work to "clean up" after the clay or should I still wash after the clay/before cleaner wax?

One of the first guys to reply says the clay "mars" the surface. Is this true? What does that mean? Never heard of that with claying.
 
Clay contains abrasives and can mar some paint. Marring is essentially scratches that are not as deep as swirls. Marring can usually be removed with a light polish. Some Cleaner Waxes have enough abrasives in them to remove the defects left by the use of clay

Because clay contains abrasives...I would rinse the car off with a hose, dry it and then proceed to the Cleaner Wax

There are different grades of clay. Some are more abrasive than others

I usually polish after I clay, so my process is:

-Wash
-Clay with rinseless wash
-Wipe dry with a MF
-Polish
 
allenk4 said:
Clay contains abrasives and can mar some paint. Marring is essentially scratches that are not as deep as swirls. Marring can usually be removed with a light polish. Some Cleaner Waxes have enough abrasives in them to remove the defects left by the use of clay

Because clay contains abrasives...I would rinse the car off with a hose, dry it and then proceed to the Cleaner Wax

There are different grades of clay. Some are more abrasive than others

I usually polish after I clay, so my process is:

-Wash
-Clay with rinseless wash
-Wipe dry with a MF
-Polish
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Why would people use clay if it scratches paint? That's the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do by cleaning and waxing...
I am using meguiar's. There is nothing about the grade on it.
 
comma said:
Why would people use clay if it scratches paint? That's the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do by cleaning and waxing...
I am using meguiar's. There is nothing about the grade on it.
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Auto Clays...having abrasives...originally were invented so there would be an effective means to remove paint overspray from vehicles...especially at the assembly plants.
As was expected: refinement of the underlying paint was a "by-product" of claying.

Over the last couple of decades:
Auto clays' intended purpose has been extended to include removal of environmental and man-made contaminates from vehicle surfaces, including their paint. Gotta Remember: they still have abrasives in order to accomplish these devised claying tasks


Although there are AGO members, myself included, that have stated that whenever Claying is done: some level/degree of polishing always follows...This type of paint-refinement from claying processes is not always mentioned.

Some will say I use plenty of clay lube:
All you have to do is utilize a "swirl finder light" to see the clay induced blemishes.
The use of more/extra amount of clay-lube basically defeats the claying purposes. Blame, in this case, can be placed on hydroplaning.


Bob
 
Thanks Bob!
So if I clay and use a polish afterwards would that negate the use of a cleaner wax or should I do both before the 845?

This is already way past the point of being fun!
My next car is going to be one where I don't care about the finish!
 
comma said:
Thanks Bob!
So if I clay and use a polish afterwards would that negate the use of a cleaner wax or should I do both before the 845?

This is already way past the point of being fun!
My next car is going to be one where I don't care about the finish!
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I realize it has been years now. How did this project came out? I think you will be enlightened by looking up the steps in car detailing.
- washing - removes dirt from the car
- claying - removes embedded dirt from the car (stuck tree sap, bug guts, paint overspray, etc)
- polishing - removes fine scratches and stains from the paint
- protecting - applying wax or sealant or coating

Me, i usually skip polishing. Wash, clay, then wax.
 
Yes, wash the Jeep after claying, you've got the stuff out anyways. I will do a WW in the garage if I have run out of daylight to wash it again. A paint cleaner like P21S (Pinnacle, Blackfire, WG all have one too) on a black/blue or white pad is the minimum that I will do to a car. The paint is not clean otherwise.
 
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