Igl echoshine hybrid wax over a coating.

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I'm wondering if it's alright to use this hybrid cleaner wax over a coating without damaging it? It's a sio2 cleaner wax with a chemical cleaner in it.

IGL is a coating company but they conveniently leave out any mention of using this wax over a coating in the write-up.

That probably gives me my answer right there
 
Hmm. I purchased this wax awhile ago, somehow missing the fact it is a cleaner wax. I intended to use on top of Premiere. Maybe that’s OK still (or maybe not?!?), but not sure I would have pulled the trigger if I realized the cleaning abilities.

Thanks for sharing fightnews.
 
Be nice to have a thread on what types of cleaners are good for cleaning coatings but not degrading them.

Things like this and other cleaner wax type products. Also diffrent all purpose cleaners diluted.

I know ceramic coatings are strong enough to stand up to these products but are any of the products actually good for the coating?
 
^^Agreed. I was thinking Ecocoat was like Synergy or Enigma... meant specifically for topping a coating if preferred, but now I’m not so sure, but maybe it still is???
 
acuRAS82 said:
^^Agreed. I was thinking Ecocoat was like Synergy or Enigma... meant specifically for topping a coating if preferred, but now I’m not so sure, but maybe it still is???
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Idk I'm going to try it though lol

So many toppers so little time
 
FUNX650 said:
Looking back:
I wish I had been much more
Of a brainiac;
I’d have opened a “toppers” store
For the squandermaniacs.


Bob
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Whats the big deal people have been waxing their cars 1x a month easy for as long as there's been carwax. Its the same thing. I'm sure there's 1x a week waxers out there too.

Also nothing looks better then fresh product.
 
FUNX650 said:
Looking back:
I wish I had been much more
Of a brainiac;
I’d have opened a “toppers” store
For the squandermaniacs.


Bob
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If you made your username Bob you wouldn't have to type it out every time you post. Think of the time you could of saved after all these years.
 
fightnews said:
If you made your username Bob you
wouldn't have to type it out every time
you post. Think of the time you could
of saved after all these years.
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Think of the time you would have
just saved yourself, if you could
only understand that:

I don’t type it out every time I post;
it’s part and parcel of my signature line.



Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
Think of the time you would have
just saved yourself, if you could
only understand that:

I don’t type it out every time I post;
it’s part and parcel of my signature line.



Bob
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"Be wary of the man that urges an action and understands little to nothing........."
 
FUNX650 said:
Looking back:
I wish I had been much more
Of a brainiac;
I’d have opened a “toppers” store
For the squandermaniacs.


Bob
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Meguiars and Mothers’ are the brainiacs for figuring out what the masses like to purchase all along. And I believe you are a fan of each, no?
 
acuRAS82 said:
Meguiars and Mothers’ are the brainiacs
for figuring out what the masses like to
purchase all along.

And I believe you are a fan of each, no?
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And how does/would, that put money
into my pocket—versus—my having my
own “toppers” store? :confused:


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
And how does/would, that put money
into my pocket—versus—my having my
own “toppers” store? :confused:


Bob
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It doesn’t, it’s actually reversed. They are the brainiacs, you are the “squandermaniac” in this case. Just thought it was worth mentioning for perspective. You can still open that topper store before the trend becomes unfashionable though (I myself already bought $3000 in toppers though, so I’m all set at this point).
 
FUNX650 said:
Think of the time you would have
just saved yourself, if you could
only understand that:

I don’t type it out every time I post;
it’s part and parcel of my signature line.



Bob
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Ahhh ok then Bob. I stand corrected. Probably the only time Ive ever been wrong in 40 years.
 
FUNX650 said:
And how does/would, that put money
into my pocket—versus—my having my
own “toppers” store? :confused:


Bob
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Well to be fair almost anything can be called a topper. Your topper store would really just be a Detailing Store. You would most likely lose money in a brick and mortar storefront because there aren't enough detailing enthusiasts in town for you to turn a profit. Online sales would be crucial.
 
acuRAS82 said:
It doesn’t, it’s actually reversed. They are the brainiacs, you are the “squandermaniac” in this case. Just thought it was worth mentioning for perspective. You can still open that topper store before the trend becomes unfashionable though (I myself already bought $3000 in toppers though, so I’m all set at this point).
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That's it? How do you restrain yourself so much? I'd be feeling great if I only spent 3 grand!
 
BadgerRivFan said:
The pot has been successfully stirred.
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The whole topper/booster topic is debatable (I like 'em) i do ponder the why of it.

Why use a booster/topper? Dunno, but perhaps…

1. The elements that provide the durability and chemical/environmental protection of a base coating do not provide/are not compatible with the more entertaining aspects folks associate with a ‘good’ LSP.

Things like slickness, exciting water behavior, beading, added gloss. In other words, the base coating provides the functional aspects, the booster the aesthetic aspects. Gyeon Mohs, Gtechniq CSL for example are some pretty tough customers but the visible water behavior is visually not that entertaining, hence the Skin topcoat in the Mohs-based Syncro kit and the ‘preferred’ CSL +EXOV4 application combo.

On their own, Mohs and CSL are more hydrophillic as opposed to hydrophobic and that’s just not as visually entertaining as when topped with a more hydrophobic top layer. While Skin and EXO are ‘kinda coatings’ like CarPro Gliss, Feynlab Topcoat and TAC Topcoat, the concept of topping a coating via dedicated ‘topcoat’ or booster is, to me, kinda the same. The base coating, for whatever reason, can’t encompass all characteristics people recognize as ‘quality’ behavior of an LSP.

2. Sacrificial layer or protecting the protection. Better to contaminate a top layer than the more expensive base coating.

3. Revenue generation. More products needed to maintain the base coating benefits, real or perceived. “You spent all this money on getting it coated, what’s a little bit more?” Kinda akin to changing oil every 3500 miles instead of following mfg recommendations of up to 10k intervals. Better safe than sorry?

4. Just following directions. Most mfgs reccomend some kinda maintenance topper, necessity of it being irrelevant. Again, better safe than sorry?

There’s plenty of well-respected coating afficianados who coat and let it ride…with excellent results so topping is definately not necessary in all cases. May as well throw ‘personal preference’ on the list as well.

Look at Glassparency, the latest trend in glass coatings. If I’m not mistaken (and I certainly could be) they require maintenance/refresh every 3 months to stay viable…planned topping?

I dunno, really…interesting topic but at the end of the day, gotta do what works best *for you*. If that involves toppers/boosters then so be it. If not, no harm, no foul. Variety is the spice of life.

What I have seen play out on my hood as my coating has faded away over the last few months is that a topper/booster has a more severely limited lifespan on top of a fading coating than it does on a more 'lively' coating.

I dunno but what I do know is that I'm not topping a recent application of new-to-me coating on my daily driver and when done washing, I kinda wander around the driveway aimlessly thinking I should be doing one more 'thing'...

As for stirring the pot with the 'squandermaniacs' reference, unless said with tongue firmly planted in cheek I see it mostly as a somewhat disingenuous remark that flies in the face of the Mike Phillips tenet of "Find something you like and use it often" at the very least.

To each their own...
 
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