ipa vs glass cleaner?

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hey guys ive been doing some reading online towards a panel prep... due to them being overpriced for what they are, I currently have p&s tru vue glass cleaner and some isopropyl alcohol 99% proof. which product would be better as a panel wipe ?
 
Panel wipe, especially the one from the coating company you are using.
 
Take a look over at Autopia as they are having an overstock sale.

A gallon of wolfgang paint prep is $48 at the moment. They also have bottles of Optimim and Glassparency on sale.
 
Take a look over at Autopia as they are having an overstock sale.

A gallon of wolfgang paint prep is $48 at the moment. They also have bottles of Optimim and Glassparency on sale.

sweet thanks! So you wouldn’t dilute a home brew of ipa? Would you use a glass cleaner or just purely a panel wipe from a rtu manufacture ?
 
There are many threads you can read through on ipa mixes- MP wrote an extended article on this and gave the formula for us to make it on the cheap @ home-- here is the link


How to Mix IPA for Inspecting Correction Results

Mike also uses Sonax glass cleaner for a panel wipe. I dont need to waste my money spending it on expensive name brand items like a big name company brand panel wipe when I can make it JUST AS GOOD for way less $$. More convienent also- I got all that it takes right here @ home
 
sweet thanks! So you wouldn’t dilute a home brew of ipa? Would you use a glass cleaner or just purely a panel wipe from a rtu manufacture ?

Easy to get something ready to use rather than mixing something up. IPA doesn’t have the lubrication. Mike Phillips mentioned this a few times on the forum when he was here.

I bought a couple gallons of Meguiar’s M122 Surface prep for cheap and that’s what I use.
 
Easy to get something ready to use rather than mixing something up. IPA doesn’t have the lubrication. Mike Phillips mentioned this a few times on the forum when he was here.

I bought a couple gallons of Meguiar’s M122 Surface prep for cheap and that’s what I use.

I favor using Carpro Eraser and Gyeon Prep for this reason, they just feel nicer to use. I have also used a water/IPA blend prep spray along with another product sold as an alternative to Eraser, these were super grabby and not at all nice to use. If Carpro are blending their product with a lubricant while still being compatible with their coatings, then that's enough for me.

If you are going to the effort and expense of applying a ceramic coating, then don't cheap out on the most important prep stage during the process.
 
upon reading some more threads, there is a 1oz of sles or apc added for the bite and added cleaning power as well as lube I guess. as far as looking up msds sheets from p&s panel prep and there glass cleaner there identical ingredients....
 
Some people use Sprayway glass cleaner since it has some type of alcohol in it. Mothers CMX panel wipe can be found at OReilly's.
 
Some people use Sprayway glass cleaner since it has some type of alcohol in it. Mothers CMX panel wipe can be found at OReilly's.

Meguiars D120 Glass Cleaner Concentrate is also alcohol based, along with Megs Perfect Clarity. Alot of glass cleaners are.
 
upon reading some more threads, there is a 1oz of sles or apc added for the bite and added cleaning power as well as lube I guess. as far as looking up msds sheets from p&s panel prep and there glass cleaner there identical ingredients....

True vue:

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Panel prep:

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Yes same hazardous ingredients. That’s 10-15%. Other ingredients which may include lubricants and surfactants aren’t listed… 85% more.

Small print:

Amounts specified are typical and do not represent a specification. Remaining components are proprietary, non-hazardous, and/or present at amounts below reportable limits.


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True vue:

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Panel prep:

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Yes same hazardous ingredients. That’s 10-15%. Other ingredients which may include lubricants and surfactants aren’t listed… 85% more.

Small print:

Amounts specified are typical and do not represent a specification. Remaining components are proprietary, non-hazardous, and/or present at amounts below reportable limits.


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trying to cut down my costs and keep my product line simple. if tru vue which I already own can accomplish this task since they seem to be dead on with ingredients. im using carpro and menzerna polishing products as well. id be applying can coat this spring to my black audi. Canadian prices have gone threw the roof and we don't get any good sales like USA does. pretty painful lol
 
Prices have gone up on most detailing products. Best to reach out to P&S and ask them. They will respond. An SDS sheet does not always include all the ingredients.

Have you looked on carzilla to see what they offer for RTU panel wipes? If you are only doing your one car one bottle is enough.
 
Speaking for myself. If I’m spending 15-20 hours on a customers vehicle and charging what I charge, I’m using a dedicated panel prep. Especially if I’ve spent a day plus polishing soft black paint, last thing I want is marring from being cheap and using a glass cleaner, then having to polish again. If you’re working on your own personal vehicle, use whatever you’d like. If someone is paying you to for a coating job, use the dedicated prep and build the coat into your pricing. You also don’t want to have a customer calling you in 6 months saying the coating isn’t performing well anymore.
 
trying to cut down my costs and keep my product line simple. if tru vue which I already own can accomplish this task since they seem to be dead on with ingredients. im using carpro and menzerna polishing products as well. id be applying can coat this spring to my black audi. Canadian prices have gone threw the roof and we don't get any good sales like USA does. pretty painful lol

Yeah I put in all that work to polish and ceramic coat my car. I’m not looking to save money after my bulk of work…. I’d find somewhere before polishing to save money.

Again 15% of the ingredients are same. Other 85% aren’t disclosed. Betting there surfactants that help remove polish and and polymers that help lubricity.

Plenty of threads on here wondering what they did wrong and why there coating sucks and most answers are prep.

Not worth ruining 8-10+ hours of work to save $20. Hope you don’t come back to post one of those what happened threads.

If you do go through with it though hope it goes well and report back with results.


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