Is it okay to use glaze before coating?

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Is It okay to use glaze such as menzerna top finish machine glaze to hide minor imperfection before coating application?

coatings claim that, they fill up the minor imperfection to hide them, but not as much as glaze in my opinion.



I am planning to ceramic coating for the first time on my car.
and it does have minor swirls since its been almost a year since I polished it, but its mazda...... and mazda paints are extremely soft and thin
so my plan was to just jewel with SF3500 and glaze it before coating if possible.
 
The answer is "no".

In order for a paint coating to properly bond to the paint the paint must be free from any substance that would hinder the coating from bonding.

Glazes have polishing oils and these oils would interfere with the bonding of the coating.


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
The answer is "no".

In order for a paint coating to properly bond to the paint the paint must be free from any substance that would hinder the coating from bonding.

Glazes have polishing oils and these oils would interfere with the bonding of the coating.

Thats what I though :(
and I IPA or coating prep will remove fillers so I guess it just waste time and money


:)
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Setec Astronomy said:
Maybe try this product and follow with CQuartz:

CarPro Essence Xtreme Gloss Enhancer 250 ml
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Wow I totally forgot about this product lol

I will try this and then top it off with gtechniq crystal serum light

Thanks.
 
choijw2 said:
Wow I totally forgot about this product lol

I will try this and then top it off with gtechniq crystal serum light

Thanks.
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Just a word of warning using a non-CarPro coating over Essence--Optimum, for instance, states unequivocally (well, at least in a forum response) that Essence is incompatible with Optimum coatings. Don't know what Gtechniq says.
 
There was a thread on Autopia about different coatings over Essence. I stopped following cause the original poster never made an update ;( Maybe that has changed lately.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
The answer is "no".

In order for a paint coating to properly bond to the paint the paint must be free from any substance that would hinder the coating from bonding.

Glazes have polishing oils and these oils would interfere with the bonding of the coating.




:)
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Would this also be true for Wolfgang Finishing Glaze? I plan on applying Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Coating. The review & how to article recommends use of the Wolfgang Finishing Glaze before the perfect finish paint prep and coating application. I realize the paint prep is intended to remove the oils but wanted to make sure the Wolfgang glaze wont interfere with the coatings bond.
 
mssoll said:
Would this also be true for Wolfgang Finishing Glaze? I plan on applying Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Coating. The review & how to article recommends use of the Wolfgang Finishing Glaze before the perfect finish paint prep and coating application. I realize the paint prep is intended to remove the oils but wanted to make sure the Wolfgang glaze wont interfere with the coatings bond.
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No, not true of Wolfgang Finishing Glaze. Although it has the word "glaze" in the product name, it is a fine polish and is perfectly compatible with their Uber ceramic coating (if used before the perfect finish paint prep as you stated)
 
BadgerRivFan said:
No, not true of Wolfgang Finishing Glaze. Although it has the word "glaze" in the product name, it is a fine polish and is perfectly compatible with their Uber ceramic coating (if used before the perfect finish paint prep as you stated)
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Thats one thing confuses me, seems like every manufacture have different meaning of "glaze"

For me glaze is final polishing with fillers to hide minor imperfection before LSP.



Btw I got new question,

Can I apply 2nd coat of same coating system after lets say 1 day, or week on top of existing coat?
 
A glaze really should have non-volatile oils in it and it should very intentionally leave something behind. If it has abrasives, it would certainly also be a polish. It could have wax or polymers, in which case it could then be a sealant/wax. If it has multiples of these things, it could be an all in one.

If wolfgang finishing glaze is simply a fine polish, one wonders why the heck they called it a glaze! Being quite honest, I think, irrelevant of what a manufacturer tells you, I would not be using a product they class as a 'glaze' in an application where you can afford zero residues - it would simply be madness to risk putting an expensive coating on top of a product where the manufacturer uses a name which seems to contradict what it actually is!
 
Mike@DedicatedPerfection said:
Interesting.

Thanks for sharing.
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I'm not sure that the forum membership shares that (incompatibility) view--I'm pretty sure someone used Essence and followed with OPT Gloss-Coat, not sure what the long term results of that were, but maybe I'm hallucinating and it never happened.

EDIT: Oh wait, here's a thread from last year: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/97119-carpro-essence-non-carpro-coating.html I didn't read the whole thing but I did look on the OPT forum and Chris@Optimum said in response to a question about using Essence under an Optimum coating "Not compatible with our coatings." That thread I linked did have some pretty interesting stuff on the first page including Zach saying he had been experimenting with NOT doing scrupulous cleaning before coatings and found it didn't make much difference.
 
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