Issues with CarPro Ech2o

[HAMBO]

So I'll start by saying I really wanted to like this product. My car is coated, and I don't use waterless wash often, but I was hoping to find one that had more gloss to it than my standard go-to WW (Ultima), that was also a concentrate.

Admittedly, ech2o does indeed seem to have a bit more shine to it than a standard ww. But here are my issues:

1) I wouldn't consider waterless washing a particularly paint-friendly way to clean your car in general. So when for whatever reason I'm using WW, I like to minimize how many times I have to go over the paint. Ech2o instructions (depending exactly whose you follow) imply having to go over each panel a minimum of two times with the product, and then likely a final buff (so three times). Why would you want to do that? It's just touching the car more often than necessary, knowing it didn't start particularly clean underneath.

2) I have experimented with dilution ratios from 1:5 through 1:20, and I can't get this stuff to stop streaking or leaving some kind of residue behind. Sometimes I can see it right after (a faint haze on the paint) afterwards and buff it off with an MF towel, and sometimes I can't until the morning when there's dew on the car and it becomes more apparent. I understand most people haven't had this issue, but I have tried all sorts of ratios, and tried only spraying the product on the towel (rather than paint) for that second application and still can't help it. Has anyone tried less concentrated than the 20:1 suggested for QD? Ultima is 40:1, and I have never had any problems with it at all. Would Ech2o be safe to try 30 or 40:1?

Anyone have any similar experiences or tips?

HAMBO

 

[GSKR]

I have it also same promblem.I've tried many there all pretty much the same.I find ultima being the best as far as gloss and one swipe needed. The last thing I want to do is trying to work with a product that is suppose to be easy and not complex.

 

[Cruzscarwash]

I have seen the same thing but for me it's the next day. Looks perfect on the spot but the next morning the streaks are there. I as well would like to try a different product that's multiple purpose like this. The shine is quite amazing thought. I've started to add in other things like cure and that has helped out quite a bit and should add just a bit more protection and stay up with the gloss

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[JeffM]

Try it as a rinseless, its my favorite period.

 

[PouncingPanzer]

I haven't seen this with my Ech2o yet, but Reload with streak if you have an older batch or don't shake it constantly. Next time I use Echo2o I will be more vigilant and check the next day. Overall I like the product, but admittedly if my vehicle didn't have ceramic pro I would still be using ONR, but it's got polymers in it that will harm your coatings beading properties. Unfortunately. I hope you find the right solution!

 

[Rsurfer]

It may be that you are dry wiping, by not using enough product. Try misting the towel and then come back with a dry towel. Seems like I need to use more product during the summer than the winter.

 

[The Guz]

I have only had issues with ech20 on hot and humid days. Good thing humidity is not an issue here in Southern California. Other than that I have no issues with it.

 

[HAMBO]

I have only had issues with ech20 on hot and humid days. Good thing humidity is not an issue here in Southern California. Other than that I have no issues with it.

Thanks Guz. May I ask what dilution ratio you've been using?

 

[cleanmycorolla]

i too second so cal being ideal all the time weather wise! lol

but i used to have streaking, i since went to a 1oz to 20 ratio for waterless and it has been perfect. its better as a rinseless IMO though. You should try Gloss Shop Trifecta, Ultima Acrylic, and Wolfgang Uber those are some real good ones not as finicky as echo.

 

[Cruzscarwash]

Whoa whoa whoa, I'm SoCal but 112 degree weather does not make things fun..lol

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[cleanmycorolla]

Whoa whoa whoa, I'm SoCal but 112 degree weather does not make things fun..lol

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lol true...BUT October thru May is pretty awesome, come on?!?!?!! hahaha but hey you are like basically at the equator its hot like lava by you.

 

[rlmccarty2000]

I've been using ECH2O at a 20:1 plus 2 oz of TAC Systems Quartz Max and haven't noticed any streaking. Sometimes it will get some haze, but that is when I don't dry the car completely. Use less to get better results. If you don't want any added shine try McKees N-914. I've never had any haze with it even on glass.

 

[The Guz]

Thanks Guz. May I ask what dilution ratio you've been using?

I've used it at 1:15, 1:20 and 1:25. At the moment I prefer 1:20. Seems to be a sweet spot.

McKee's 37 at 1:128 is working quite well as a waterless wash.

The gloss from ech2o is pretty hard to beat on a coated vehicle.

 

[WillSports3]

Can I suggest to you all to let it haze for a few moments? I've used 2 ounces to 20 ounce spray bottle as well as 4 ounces to 20 ounce spray bottle. I'm going to assume you're all using distilled water. After you dry it, wait a few minutes and go over it again with a separate clean mf towel. Watch the streaks disappear easily. It's the solvents in there that hold the sio2 that causes this. So let the product haze a bit after drying and then go over it again I don't have this problem in winter time so far or right in the sun in high humidity by employing this method.

 

[Klasse Act]

I've been using Ech2o for quite some time now and because its so thick my ratio for WW is 20 parts distilled water and 1 part Ech2o and have had zero issues. I agree with an earlier comment, love this stuff even more as a RW, a little goes a long, long way and if its just a maintainence wash, it can go as far as 1 ounce for 3 gallons, rivaling WGU for RW ratio.

I see someone mentioned TAC...hope that brand is picked up here on AG, truly GREAT products and although there's so many choices, quality is quality and they have it in SPADES!

 

[Cruzscarwash]

lol true...BUT October thru May is pretty awesome, come on?!?!?!! hahaha but hey you are like basically at the equator its hot like lava by you.

Makes Interiors exciting

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[VISITOR]

hmm... i've been using ech20 at 5:1 as a QD in the hot sun i haven't experienced any streaking or anything negative...

 

[Eldorado2k]

I just started using Ech2o again, I have it mixed at 10:1 w/distilled water in a 32oz bottle + 2oz. of Reload. I used it as a waterless wash to clean a black vehicle with a weeks worth of dust on it and it seemed a bit thick but in the end it did the job... Just as the directions state, I did an initial wipedown to get most of the dirt off the paint, followed by another quik spray and wipe, and finally a final wipe with a dry microfiber to get that final haze off and reveal a nice glossy finish.

I used almost a whole 32oz. bottle on a full size sedan and in the end I couldn't help but wonder if I would've been better off doing the waterless wash with Wolfgang Uber and then following it up with a lighter spray and wipe with the Ech2o on a clean and dry vehicle. I think it would be a better experience this way.

 

[HAMBO]

Can I suggest to you all to let it haze for a few moments? I've used 2 ounces to 20 ounce spray bottle as well as 4 ounces to 20 ounce spray bottle. I'm going to assume you're all using distilled water. After you dry it, wait a few minutes and go over it again with a separate clean mf towel. Watch the streaks disappear easily. It's the solvents in there that hold the sio2 that causes this. So let the product haze a bit after drying and then go over it again I don't have this problem in winter time so far or right in the sun in high humidity by employing this method.

Thanks, so to clarify: the above is three passes (spray + wipe, wipe again, wait, wipe dry)?

 

[HAMBO]

wonder if I would've been better off doing the waterless wash with Wolfgang Uber and then following it up with a lighter spray and wipe with the Ech2o on a clean and dry vehicle. I think it would be a better experience this way.

Ya, I've been thinking rather than use ech2o with multiple sprays and wipes to try to get more gloss out of a waterless wash, why not just use Ultima (or your favorite WW), then follow up with a quick spray of your favorite high gloss QD? Same number of steps as with ech2o (maybe even one less), cleaning power of WW with no streaking, followed by shine of quick detailer. Other than that you need teo sprayers, seems like a similar process for potentially a better outcomes.