Lets discuss Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion

[TimmyG]

I've heard plenty of positive reviews for this product. I've even heard people mention that on a white paint job, it's a must. Does anyone else feel this way? Why or why not? I'm currently working on a trashed arctic white 1996 firebird formula convertible with tons of swirls and rids. They're slowly but surely being removed and I'm just curious if I can use this cleansing lotion to my advantage before applying a sealant and topping with a paste wax.

Please advise!

:xyxthumbs:

 

[TornadoRed]

I like it but I'm not sure it's a must. I use it to remove an LSP if I'm not going to polish. If I'm going to polish, I skip that step and use Griot's Pre-Wax Cleanser instead (or IPA).
Another less expensive and arguably better option would be Duragloss 501.

 

[TimmyG]

Thanks for the feedback.


So in your opinion, does this cleansing lotion have any place in a full paint correction?

 

[TornadoRed]

In my opinion... no.

 

[TimmyG]

Thanks for your honest response!

I suppose I'm most interested in prewax cleansers and what place they have in the detailing world. I've been looking at the Pinnacle, WG, GG, and Dodo cleansers and I suppose I'm simply confused on if I even need one or not. My thought was that a prewax cleanser was similar to an IPA wipedown - rid the surface off all polishing oils left behind so that you're waxing/sealing a pure surface. Maybe my interpretation is off?

I'm simply trying to give my arctic white paint the best correction possible. White is definitely a crappy color to learn to detail on, so I'm trying to get the most gloss possible.

So far, here is the work performed.

Dawn wash w/ Two bucket method (grit guards, etc)
Iron-X , Tar-X Application (followed by good rinse and dry)
Clay (Megs Clay Kit - removed a good amount of contaminents)
M105/D300 on Megs 5" Cutting Disc/LC 5.5" Orange
M205 on LC 5.5" White

The above is currently complete. Planning on applying some PO85RD next. Am I missing anything?

 

[dougaross]

P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser

S100 Shine Enhancing Cleanser

These two products are virtually the same, except S100 is less expensive. I have not used Pinnacle which seems to be the flavor du jour. But these are both excellent and I have used S100 for years.(Available at your local Harley Shop)

BTW I am a big fan DG501/601 but it leaves a layer of sealant which may be desirable if you are going to top with something Collinite 845 which will give you protection for the better part of a year.

 

[Jaretr1]

I also have a white fbody I am working on. White is so tough to deal with because its so hard to see what I am doing as I work. I have done a few panels with similar combo to youre using above and I got about an 80% correction. I am going to try to add in poor boys white diamond glaze before I apply the lsp on the next panel to see if that makes a difference.

 

[TimmyG]

I also have a white fbody I am working on. White is so tough to deal with because its so hard to see what I am doing as I work. I have done a few panels with similar combo to youre using above and I got about an 80% correction. I am going to try to add in poor boys white diamond glaze before I apply the lsp on the next panel to see if that makes a difference.

I believe it, the clear on these cars is rock hard! I've been using D300/M105 together on a Meg's cutting disc with decent results. I've also tried the surbuf/M105 combo which has worked great, but doesn't finish down nearly as nice. Anyways, I ended up working to car with a few different pad/polish combos and luckily achieved 90-95% correction. I'm planning a PO85RD step as mentioned, I'm just undecided as to IF/WHEN/WHICH prewax cleanser I should use.

As of right now, I'm planning on applying two coats of BFWD followed by two coats of XMT 180 paste.

 

[TimmyG]

P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser

S100 Shine Enhancing Cleanser

These two products are virtually the same, except S100 is less expensive. I have not used Pinnacle which seems to be the flavor du jour. But these are both excellent and I have used S100 for years.(Available at your local Harley Shop)

BTW I am a big fan DG501/601 but it leaves a layer of sealant which may be desirable if you are going to top with something Collinite 845 which will give you protection for the better part of a year.

I've looked at both of these products and I'm truly wondering if I even need a prewax product. I've looked at the Griots Garage cleaner, Pinnacle, P21s, etc. Just not sure if I need one of not. Would an IPA wipedown/CarPro Eraser application suffice?

I don't want to comprimise on quality here. If a prewax cleanser gives me a better, glossier finish at the end, then I'll order one.

 

[nightanole]

I hope i didnt ruin my hood. I got the sample with one of my orders. I figured i could use it since is so non abrasive that it doesnt remove swirls. Well i did what it said, washed, in garage under florescent light, did back and forth with microfiber towel. Worked great at rounding over the 2 big scratches i used it on. Could not see them. So then i put a coat of zaino z5 anti swirl and z2 standard, and CG nano sealant.

Well it direct sun light i have holograms at the 2 spots i used it on

Should i strip it and re wax, or should i try to correct? I cant think of anything less abrasive then the lotion.

It says not to hand swirl, so im not sure how to get rid of the holograms, if use the lotion again.

 

[Nick McKees37]

I've heard plenty of positive reviews for this product. I've even heard people mention that on a white paint job, it's a must. Does anyone else feel this way? Why or why not? I'm currently working on a trashed arctic white 1996 firebird formula convertible with tons of swirls and rids. They're slowly but surely being removed and I'm just curious if I can use this cleansing lotion to my advantage before applying a sealant and topping with a paste wax.

Please advise!

Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is designed for vehicles that are new or very well maintained. It is not designed to remove swirls, scratches and other paint defects. This product is designed to be used before applying a wax or sealant on paint that's in great shape.

I've looked at both of these products and I'm truly wondering if I even need a prewax product. I've looked at the Griots Garage cleaner, Pinnacle, P21s, etc. Just not sure if I need one of not. Would an IPA wipedown/CarPro Eraser application suffice?

I don't want to comprimise on quality here. If a prewax cleanser gives me a better, glossier finish at the end, then I'll order one.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner and IPA remove polishing oils that are on the surface. Paint cleaners, such as Pinnacle's Paintwork Cleansing Lotion, actually polish the paint and remove below surface contaminants along with previously applied waxes and sealants. This leaves your paint squeaky clean so your wax or sealant of choice will bond better.

Using a paint cleaner, such as Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion or P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser are definitely beneficial and will lead to an LSP that looks better and lasts longer.

I hope i didnt ruin my hood. I got the sample with one of my orders. I figured i could use it since is so non abrasive that it doesnt remove swirls. Well i did what it said, washed, in garage under florescent light, did back and forth with microfiber towel. Worked great at rounding over the 2 big scratches i used it on. Could not see them. So then i put a coat of zaino z5 anti swirl and z2 standard, and CG nano sealant.

Well it direct sun light i have holograms at the 2 spots i used it on

Should i strip it and re wax, or should i try to correct? I cant think of anything less abrasive then the lotion.

It says not to hand swirl, so im not sure how to get rid of the holograms, if use the lotion again.

It sounds like the holograms were already there and Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion removed the fillers from the product that was previously applied. Holograms are caused by the motion of a rotary polisher and are impossible to inflict by hand.

To remove the holograms/swirls, you will need to use an abrasive polish in conjunction with a dual action polisher. Pinnacle Advanced Swirl Remover works well when paired with a Lake Country CCS Orange or White pad on a Porter Cable 7424xp.

 

[TimmyG]

Thankyou for the detailed response Nick! I actually ordered the Griots Garage prewax cleanser with my last order so I'm going to give it a try. I'll eventually try the Pinnacle lotion on my Z06 I'm thinking.

 

[swanicyouth]

Are these products truly non abrasive. I mean, don't they just have very mild abrasives? Or, do they clean paint 100% with chemicals. I thought of using one, just to change up my LSP(strip off old LSP), but I just polished not too long ago and I'm not ready to use anything that removes and clear.I do own the P21S cleansing lotion, but I bought some CG Citrus and Gloss and the Griots clear wax remover to strip my old LSP. What do you think? Think I can remove the old LSP without a cleansing lotion, as paint is in excellent shape not and really to want to touch it with anything even mildly abrasive.

 

[Nick McKees37]

Thankyou for the detailed response Nick! I actually ordered the Griots Garage prewax cleanser with my last order so I'm going to give it a try. I'll eventually try the Pinnacle lotion on my Z06 I'm thinking.

Sounds good. :dblthumb2:

Are these products truly non abrasive. I mean, don't they just have very mild abrasives? Or, do they clean paint 100% with chemicals. I thought of using one, just to change up my LSP(strip off old LSP), but I just polished not too long ago and I'm not ready to use anything that removes and clear.I do own the P21S cleansing lotion, but I bought some CG Citrus and Gloss and the Griots clear wax remover to strip my old LSP. What do you think? Think I can remove the old LSP without a cleansing lotion, as paint is in excellent shape not and really to want to touch it with anything even mildly abrasive.

Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing lotion is in fact non-abrasive. Through the use of advanced chemical cleaners, it removes below surface contaminants. It does not remove any clear coat. :dblthumb2:

 

[timaishu]

I recieved a 2oz sample in one of my orders. I understand what its supposed to do. I just couldn't tell if it was doing anything at all.

So I personally do not recommend it.

 

[Harleyguy]

TimmyG,
I will make this real easy it's a great product and if you like to try some before you buy it shoot me a PM and I will send you out a sample .

 

[nightanole]

Im just going to strip the hood and figure out whats going on. The car only has 6k on it ( i bought it new before winter). I got 2 big scratches over winter and didnt want to buff out a brand new hood. So the no abrasive "round over edges of scratches so light doesnt catch them" was what i was looking for. And it worked great. from any angle in the garage or cloudy day, the 2 scratches are 90% gone and im tickled.

But looking at the front of the car during a sunny day, i can see EXACTLY where i applied the lotion.

Should i have washed the hood after the lotion and before the wax? Maybe i trapped some lotion in between the paint and the wax layer?

Im relieved that you say i didnt damage the paint :xyxthumbs:

 

[Nick McKees37]

I recieved a 2oz sample in one of my orders. I understand what its supposed to do. I just couldn't tell if it was doing anything at all.

So I personally do not recommend it.

Find a vehicle that hasn't been waxed in 6 months and put a tape line down the middle of the hood. Apply the Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion to one side along with a coat of wax, and then apply just a coat of wax to the other side. You'll notice that the wax spreads much thinner on the side first polished with Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion. Watch the durability too. :dblthumb2:

Im just going to strip the hood and figure out whats going on. The car only has 6k on it ( i bought it new before winter). I got 2 big scratches over winter and didnt want to buff out a brand new hood. So the no abrasive "round over edges of scratches so light doesnt catch them" was what i was looking for. And it worked great. from any angle in the garage or cloudy day, the 2 scratches are 90% gone and im tickled.

But looking at the front of the car during a sunny day, i can see EXACTLY where i applied the lotion.

Should i have washed the hood after the lotion and before the wax? Maybe i trapped some lotion in between the paint and the wax layer?

Im relieved that you say i didnt damage the paint :xyxthumbs:

Keep in mind, just because a vehicle is brand new doesn't mean the hood wasn't already polished by an inexperienced rotary buffer user at the dealership. This happens way more than it should, on both new and used cars.

If you can actually see where you applied the lotion, as in the strokes of the applicator, it sounds like it wasn't fully removed. Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is designed to be applied very thin and buffed off almost immediately after application.

A dime-size drop of polish on an applicator is more than enough to do half a hood, if not more.

If you could, take a couple pictures of the hood in direct sunlight so we can get a better idea of what you're working with. rops:

 

[swanicyouth]

Sounds good. :dblthumb2:
Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing lotion is in fact non-abrasive. Through the use of advanced chemical cleaners, it removes below surface contaminants. It does not remove any clear coat. :dblthumb2:

Very helpful, thanks. Do you know if the P21S product is the same???

 

[KenR]

You're comparing apples to oranges. Griot's Garage Pre-Wax Cleaner and IPA remove polishing oils that are on the surface. Paint cleaners, such as Pinnacle's Paintwork Cleansing Lotion, actually polish the paint and remove below surface contaminants along with previously applied waxes and sealants. This leaves your paint squeaky clean so your wax or sealant of choice will bond better.

Using a paint cleaner, such as Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion or P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser are definitely beneficial and will lead to an LSP that looks better and lasts longer.

Does a polish like PO85RD fill the same function as Pinnacle Paintwork Cleaning Lotion (with the obvious difference of having very mild abrasive properties)? That is, if you use the PO, does that make the Pinnacle unneccesary?