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Since yesterday I've been reading about those expensive wax and I can't come to any questions if it's worth it or not. Here's a recap of what I learned in the past 24 hours.

Let start by saying that my most expensive wax I have is Wolfgang Fuzion and Pinnacle Souveran.

So we got Swissvax:

-I have a hard time trusting this company for the reason that they have a wax for every car manufacters in the world. I mean.. REALLY ?? lol Are they all THAT different? if they were, why in the world, would I always hit menzerna polish or meguiars for 100% of the car I polished, from ferrari to ford to toyota hen!? To me, it's BS

-What seems to be popular is that anything below Concorso is not worth it or it's the same as any other 50$ waxes out there. However, Concorso is a really nice wax and most agree that it's sheeting property is phenomenal.

- I have to agree, anything under 300$ are all 30 or 40% carnauba by volume, not something really impressing.

- That Crystal Rock is impression because it can last up to 12 month but it's 1300$... collonite last 12 months too right?.. ah yeh, it's 20$ too lol..

- They ask to you to always use Swissvax paint cleaner.. can I use my own paint cleaner?

To conclude: I feel like concorso could be worth as well as the opaque wax. Maybe Crystal Rock is very nice but really.. I rather have a good collection of waxes or even 5 concorso jar instead of only one no?

Zymol:

- Again.. another BS about having a wax for like 10 car brands in the world.. However, they are all the same color and they all have 37% by volume *cought * cought* lol

- Ebony/Rouge wax is interesting, look like Souveran but actually cheaper.

- Titanium is also very itneresting. a long lasting wax with 51% by volume for *only 71$*.

- Concours wax for 175$ 47% by volume. is it the same as the swissvax ?

oh and I won't talk about the 8 and 30k wax :)

To conclude:

I feel like zymol is better priced and more down to earth than swissvax is but I never tried them.

Anyone have opinions on this?

who know the % by volume of Wolfgang, pinnacle waxes? Would be fun to compare.
 
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There's also Chemical guys 175 and 275 waxes but I've read bad stuff about these and sweating problem so IMO these waxes are not worth the price. I still like my pete's 53 tho .
 
I think sometimes that saying"If its to good to be true,it is "applies to some of these miracles.Like you,I have some Fuzion,Souveran and a couple collinites,so I'm cool with experimenting with other waxes,theres only one other wax I would want to try,which is Blackfire Wet Diamond,but with the results I'm getting from the above mention waxes theres no need to waste money for products to sit around.:nomore:But thats just me.lol
 
I seen some zymol on amazon for 8 or 9 thousand. But it came with lifetime refills. It should come with someone that puts it on.

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This is one of those topics where there is no clear definitive answer, why? Because beauty and personal satisfaction is in the eye of the beholder.

When you think about it "car wax" is very limited on the number of and the amount of ingredients within its own formulation.

Marketing plays a HUGE role in this and some feel the more it costs the better the product. Some also fall prey to peer pressure; Hey, what wax are you using on your Lambo, Collinite 845 at $15.00 a pop? Probably not but I think you see what I'm driving at. This and the most likely fact if you are fortunate enough to own a Lambo you probably aren't interested in what your detailer uses as long as it satisfies you.

Product sales are key to surviving if you're in business and a little advertising and WOW factor combined with some embellishment can go a long, long way generating 10's of thousands of dollars in sales.

The most expensive wax I own to date is Wolfgang Fuzion. It's a very nice wax but is it really worth $175.00......my answer would be no, but that's "my personal opinion". I bought this because I wanted to see what it was like. I also bought Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax and bought it for the very same reason.

I have more products than I could possibly use in 3 lifetimes but this is sort of a hobby with me and I enjoy trying different combinations and of course new products. If I don't particularly care for something for the most part I recycle it or just give it away.
 
BobbyG said:
This is one of those topics where there is no clear definitive answer, why? Because beauty and personal satisfaction is in the eye of the beholder.

When you think about it "car wax" is very limited on the number of and the amount of ingredients within its own formulation.

Marketing plays a HUGE role in this and some feel the more it costs the better the product. Some also fall prey to peer pressure; Hey, what wax are you using on your Lambo, Collinite 845 at $15.00 a pop? Probably not but I think you see what I'm driving at. This and the most likely fact if you are fortunate enough to own a Lambo you probably aren't interested in what your detailer uses as long as it satisfies you.

Product sales are key to surviving if you're in business and a little advertising and WOW factor combined with some embellishment can go a long, long way generating 10's of thousands of dollars in sales.

The most expensive wax I own to date is Wolfgang Fuzion. It's a very nice wax but is it really worth $175.00......my answer would be no, but that's "my personal opinion". I bought this because I wanted to see what it was like. I also bought Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax and bought it for the very same reason.

I have more products than I could possibly use in 3 lifetimes but this is sort of a hobby with me and I enjoy trying different combinations and of course new products. If I don't particularly care for something for the most part I recycle it or just give it away.
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I have found I am limited on time so that means faster is the answer for me. UPGP Is the best answer I have found hands down. Unreal shine, protection, and super easy to use. It also goes a long long way, but for the best wax protection and great shine I love 845.

Seems funny how we all have a large collection before we know it...

The choices are unlimited find one you like and get er done!!!!:xyxthumbs:
 
I recently purchased some Zymol Japon Wax for Japenese cars (albeit my RX350 was made in Canada). It was below their $49 retail price so I thought I would give it a try.
Unfortunately, I'm running out of panels on my car to test all of the waxes I keep buying on BOGO or VIP specials.

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For wax I prefer Dodo Juice Supernatural. I prefer paint coatings, save the wax for show cars that are not also daily drivers.
 
There are waxes available at many different price points, and often its hard to notice the subtle differences in them. At the end it comes down to personal taste, choice, and the pricing you find acceptable.

I can only note I only several expensive waxes, and often find myself back at Fuzion because its so darn easy to apply and remove and looks so darn good. To each their own ...
 
Personally I would never pay lots of money for an expensive wax. I think the most I've ever spent on a wax for myself was shy of 50$ after sale. Luckily for me I've been blessed with a couple of friends who are very generous and sent me samples. So I have samples of a few pricey waxes. I really like something about each one I've used but are they worth that money??? NO. In fact many of them are much more temperamental and more of a hastle than something that is in the range of 40$ up to Fuzion price.
However anyone that thinks they are worth it and spends the money on them... I say more power to them! We are still allowed to choose what we do with some of the money we earn in this country right?
Anyway, I agree with Scott that Fuzion is the place to be if we want to spend a few dollars. I have two mini tubs of that one. Thank you 12 days of Christmas and DF 2010!!!

In short, don't spend 300$ on a wax unless you have too much money on your hands and already did something good with some of it...or if thats what you want to do instead enjoy!
 
I got lucky and had a customer buy me some expensive wax to play with on his ferrari 458 and bentley azure; both of them are white cars and he is the type of guy that only wants the best so he ordered a tub of zymol atlantique for me to use on them.

I do not feel like atlantique is worth the money spent on it. It sheets water very well, looks wet, and lasts a long time...but, it does not do any of them 10x better than fuzion or supernatural.

The sheeting is comparable to paste souveran but last longer.

The wetness is comparable to supernatural, and prep accounts for 99% of the wetness.

The durability is no better than any quality sealant.

I strongly believe that by polishing a car to perfection and topping it with a good sealant followed by a quality wax, the look and function of an estate wax can be surpassed.
 
That's what I'm thinking... bragging right. that it. I'M asking because it's seems to be a new trend in my area to brag about swissvax concorso or crystal rock... I mean... lol.. who really cares? does it make that detailer better than me with my WG Fuzion ? I really doubt..

But I'm in vacation and had some free spare time to dig info on wax and thought I could ask you guys.

I feel like AG is a ''cheap'' detailing supplies with the most expensive wax costing '' only'' 199$. I'm wondering if people around think we are just some cheap detailer. I dunno.. AG's forum is the only one I go to.
 
So far, I can say that wolfgang is the wax I use most for high-end detail or long lasting wax.

If the owner want long lasting protection, I tend to use sealant or if he do lots of track or like to wax is car himself.

if I want wetness, I tend to use Signature II or VW Red.. last a good 2 month-3 months instead of Souveran.. I now use souveran only on my own personal car or friend's car.

If I want pop to flake, I tend to use pete'53 because natty red don't last enought.

I'm still tempting to try 5050. anyone recommand it?
 
It all comes down do bragging rights really. I mean when is enough enough? I think $300 is the limit and anything over that becomes more of just I have a $1K wax on my car what do you have? A $300 wax?

Its just like horsepower. 500 is way more than enough for the street. Hell even 300 is almost to much to fully use unless you are runnin the quarter or doing track work. Anything over 500 on the street is just bragging rights. Serves no purpose other than to brag to your buddy that you have more than 500 horsepower.
 
smack said:
It all comes down do bragging rights really. I mean when is enough enough? I think $300 is the limit and anything over that becomes more of just I have a $1K wax on my car what do you have? A $300 wax?

Its just like horsepower. 500 is way more than enough for the street. Hell even 300 is almost to much to fully use unless you are runnin the quarter or doing track work. Anything over 500 on the street is just bragging rights. Serves no purpose other than to brag to your buddy that you have more than 500 horsepower.
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I need a car that can do 0-60 in 2 sec so I can merge into traffic on the expressway,
 
smack said:
Its just like horsepower. 500 is way more than enough for the street. Hell even 300 is almost to much to fully use unless you are runnin the quarter or doing track work. Anything over 500 on the street is just bragging rights. Serves no purpose other than to brag to your buddy that you have more than 500 horsepower.
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There comes a time when 700HP for street use is just about right. It's comforting knowing you have an extra 400HP in your back pocket just in case!! :props:
 
BobbyG said:
There comes a time when 700HP for street use is just about right. It's comforting knowing you have an extra 400HP in your back pocket just in case!! :props:
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For what?? So you can get to the next red light quicker? Its not like we have the autobahn where it would be usefull.
 
Expensive wax is more about being exclusive, rather then best bang for the buck...you can go to a hotel that costs $300+ a night, or you can stay at Motel 6 for $39.99...it's all relevant. Some people eat $100 burgers...Is is worth it? Well, that's up to you...
 
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