Longest lasting slickness LSP?

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Hi guys,
what is in your opinion the wax or sealant that keeps its slickness for the longest by its own (no quick detailer/spray wax to boost it after wash)?

I mean, there are lots of paint sealants/waxes that are extremely slick once applied but after few washes they start to lose it dramatically.

I just love how the slickness of the paint helps your wash mitt gliding during the wash stage and makes bird bombs and other contaminants way easier to remove.

Thank you!

Cheers :)
 
Hi! Thank you for your feedback!

Collinite 845?

I was told Finish Kare 1000p was really good at keeping its slickness. Does Collinite 845 hold it better?
 
I heard the new hi def paint sealant from M37 is damn near top contender now
 
AlexD said:
Hi guys,
what is in your opinion the wax or sealant
that keeps its slickness for the longest...

I mean, there are lots of paint sealants/waxes
that are extremely slick once applied but after
few washes they start to lose it dramatically.
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•In regards to what wax or sealant keeps
its slickness for the longest...
-Would it be at all possible for you to list
the paint Sealants/Waxes that start losing
their initial slickness after a few washes?

TIA.

[I’d really hate to re-list any of those particular
products on my ‘opinion-submission-posting’.
IMO: except for backup/fail-safe systems,
redundancies are usually unnecessary/useless.]


Bob
 
Collinite 845/915/476, M37 Hi Def and FK1000 all very close in this regard - from personal experience with all of them. I would say M37 provides the most initial slickness but only by a hair - and that the Collinite products retain the slickness the longest of the products I have used.

ScottH
 
FUNX650 said:
•In regards to what wax or sealant keeps
its slickness for the longest...
-Would it be at all possible for you to list
the paint Sealants/Waxes that start losing
their initial slickness after a few washes?
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Sure!
I'll try to be clearer :)

Basically until now I've always used sealants that are Si02 based or somewhat "ceramic" (or at least lots of people call them so), like Car Pro Hydro2, Tac System Moonlight, Angelwax Ti22 (even if it's titanium based and not Si02), Dodo Juice Future Armour and I've tried the Fusso Coat too.
I've noticed that these kind of protections are good when maintained and washed frequently (every 2 weeks more or less) but when they start to accumulate dirt and grime it seems that they hold it and they don't rinse off clear at all, moreover water and rain spots.

None of them is really that slick, exepct for maybe Fusso Coat, which is, imho, terrible in dirt accumulation.

Lately unfortunately I am not able anymore to wash every 2-3 weeks, so I've tried using polymer based products (old school, but still!) and, even if water repellency is not fast compared to those listed above, they surely seem to keep the car cleaner (moreover water/rain spots).
I've started using rinseless washes too, which I'm loving more and more, and I do love indeed washing with ONR and using Optiseal/Car Wax/Instant Detailer as drying aids, and they seems to add lubricity while drying and slickness too.
I've got some Duragloss 931 and Wolfgang Uber Rinseless that I use as quick detailers/drying aid and they clearly add more slickness as well. So does Finish Kare 425, which really helped to keep the car cleaner and slick.

So, what I'm actually looking after is a LSP that plays nicely with rinseless washes (maybe polymer based?), lasts several months, rinses off as cleaner as possible and that can hold its own slickness as well, in order to help the wash media/towels gliding better and safer.

I've read about Jescar Powerlock (even if I would be able to get the Menzerna Powerlock, since in Europe it's hard to find the Jescar) and Collinite 845, which seems to be a nice famous "combo" in US, even if recently a friend of mine suggested me to try Finish Kare 1000p too.

Instead, I didn't really like Duragloss 105/601, which imo was not that slick and its gloss was a bit sterile too.

Last question that I always wondered: would it be possibile to use DG 601 Bonding Agent with the Menzerna Powerlock?

Thank you very much to anyone.

Very appreciated guys.
 
AlexD, pretty much all of the sealants people have listed play very well with waterless washes you mention. The only one I haven’t used to confirm is FK1000P.

Just to clarify above, I think you’re saying that although SiO2 LSPs bead and self-clean well in the short term (maybe u didn’t say this but I’m adding it in), you’re noticing that when left unwashed for periods of time (over the longer term), grime, water spots, etc. seem to plague the SiO2 LSP more so than old-school sealants.

I think the above is because of the tiny pits and pores in SiO2 protection can accumulate this grime and that’s why people use CP Reset to deep clean the coating and get the characteristics back.

Sealants don’t seem to have this problem as the polymers might create a smoother, albeit less “hard” surface. In my experience, sealants and waxes (especially sealants) tend to keep their normal behavior including slickness for their 3-6 month lifetime and I swear that once they wear away, the grime attached to it disappears with it. In other words, my opinion is that as the sealant layer degrades, the grime on that layer goes away with it. Plus with RW and WW, sealants are real easy to quickly clean.

In summary, I see what you’re trying to do and it makes perfect sense based on my experience and beliefs. The above is only my beliefs though, these aren’t set-in-stone facts by any means.
 
acuRAS82 said:
AlexD, pretty much all of the sealants people have listed play very well with waterless washes you mention. The only one I haven’t used to confirm is FK1000P.

Just to clarify above, I think you’re saying that although SiO2 LSPs bead and self-clean well in the short term (maybe u didn’t say this but I’m adding it in), you’re noticing that when left unwashed for periods of time (over the longer term), grime, water spots, etc. seem to plague the SiO2 LSP more so than old-school sealants.

I think the above is because of the tiny pits and pores in SiO2 protection can accumulate this grime and that’s why people use CP Reset to deep clean the coating and get the characteristics back.

Sealants don’t seem to have this problem as the polymers might create a smoother, albeit less “hard” surface. In my experience, sealants and waxes (especially sealants) tend to keep their normal behavior including slickness for their 3-6 month lifetime and I swear that once they wear away, the grime attached to it disappears with it. In other words, my opinion is that as the sealant layer degrades, the grime on that layer goes away with it. Plus with RW and WW, sealants are real easy to quickly clean.

In summary, I see what you’re trying to do and it makes perfect sense based on my experience and beliefs. The above is only my beliefs though, these aren’t set-in-stone facts by any means.
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Excatly! My same thoughts and experience. Moreover about the fact that when that particular sealants is "gone", the dirt and the grime attached to it go away with it as well.

The only sealant that I've tested that has really awesome water repellency and beading and that seems to not suffer about that "dirt stick" problem is Sonax Polymer Netshield + Sonax BSD, which are indeed polymer based as well, but, unfortunately, their slickness is really really low and BSD is not that nice to apply after wash, moreover on soft and sticky paints.
 
AlexD said:
I've started using rinseless washes too,
which I'm loving more and more, and I
do love indeed washing with ONR and
using Optiseal/Car Wax/Instant Detailer
as drying aids, and they seems to add
lubricity while drying and slickness too.

I've got some Duragloss 931 and Wolfgang
Uber Rinseless that I use as quick detailers/
drying aid and they clearly add more slickness
as well.

So does Finish Kare 425,
which really helped to keep
the car cleaner and slick.

So, what I'm actually looking after is a LSP
that plays nicely with rinseless washes, lasts
several months, rinses off as cleaner as possible
and that can hold its own slickness as well...

recently a friend of mine suggested
me to try Finish Kare 1000p too.
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Finish Kare 1000P/Finish Kare 425

IMO:
Right there is the combo
you’ve been searching for!


Bob
 
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If it is "Slick" that you are after, try using 3D Speed topped with Collinite 845. You will be stunned.

A tad less slick would be Collinite 476s over the Speed, but the longevity will be much greater.
 
FUNX650 said:
Finish Kare 1000P/Finish Kare 425

IMO:
Right there is the combo
you’ve been searching for!


Bob
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I did a guy's '76 Porsche maybe 4 years ago. 2 stage correction topped with a beauty wax.

Couple years later, did his dad's '86 Porsche with FK1000p.

Recently, he asked me to touch up his '76 again, but requested FK1000p this time.
He likes how his dad's car feels so slick and smooth when he washes it.

I'll be using FK1000p and giving him a bottle of FK425 to maintain it :)

This truly is a great combo, at a great price
 
The two wax/sealants that I primarily use (Collinite 845 and 3D Poxy) both have very good slickness with good longevity, with Collinite lasting a bit longer and being a little more durable. 3D Poxy is the wax/sealant that is included with 3D Speed which PaulMys eluded to.

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I also use SiO2 toppers and sealants as LSP. What's important for me is to use something that don't mask it's behavior. So another application or a topper that goes good with it. If you use something like opti-seal you would get that caractics in dirt build up and such. And that's your LSP now.

I also don't wash as often as I would want. But the use of Carpro Reset car soap is making this real easy to do with lubrication and cleaning ability from it that's top notch. I don't useally don't use any drying aid or top it afterwards. Just top it when it's noticed degraded in the water behavior. One more thing that helps me a lot to get it real clean is a great prewash foam and PW clean rinsing it off.

Maybe could test out Carpro EcH2O as rinseless wash and waterless washes and drying aid. Even the Magic Elixir with EcH2O and Reload as a more stout QD.

If going more with traditional sealant. Menzerna Power Lock the same as Jescar or Collinite 476s or FK1000P.
 
Wow thank you guys, lots of inputs and feedbacks! :)

It seems that the Finish Kare 1000p and the Collinite 845 gets lots of love and are two top notch products regarding that aspect.
I'll surely try them then! :)

Just to add another one that I'm curious about: how does Menzerna/Jescar Powerlock perform compared to FK1000p and Collinite 845?
And would it make sense to try it combined with Duragloss 601 to eventually increase its bonding and durability?
 
AlexD said:
Just to add another one that I'm curious about: how does Menzerna/Jescar Powerlock perform compared to FK1000p and Collinite 845?
And would it make sense to try it combined with Duragloss 601 to eventually increase its bonding and durability?
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I’ve never heard anyone using DG 601 with non-DG sealants. Not sure if it would bond the other sealants.

Powerlock is fantastic, a classic sealant still loved today. I’ve seen 5 months out of it before topping. Similar to Collinite 845 but slightly less dust collection maybe, due to no carnauba. Both give that shiny look. I think Collinite 476, 915 and FK can give you better longevity in most environments, bust most of us would be refreshing our LSPs by 5-6 months anyways.
 
I’m going to throw my vote for FK 10000p. You can’t go wrong. Long lasting and slick. When I don’t use a coating I always grab the FK 1000p. Just remember thin for the win and a can will last a lifetime.
 
I’ve been pleased with DG 105/601 topped with DG 111/601. Just passed 3 months and the the slickness and beading have no noticeable difference. The vehicle sits out 24/7 and only nature’s cleaning. BTW, horizontal surfaces take a beating in the Florida sun
 
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