Looking for a Shampoo For foam Cannon? Help?

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Hello Everyone...
I am looking for a good Foamy Shampoo for my Foam Cannon...

I am looking for a GOOD cleaner + Shine from the shampoo...

I am thinking of buying Chemical Guys Wash & Gloss ( Super Foamy )... I never used a foam Cannon...
In the description It said that this shampoo could be used with a foam cannon... My question is, Would it make stiff foam? foam that doesn't "move" a lot? ( if you get what I am trying to say ).

Next I was thinking on Chemical guys Glossworkz shampoo, Again, Great In shine, Great with foam ( Still I don't know what it could do with a foam cannon )...

Then there are all the other shampoos... like Detailer's Xtreme Foam Formula Auto Shampoo...
I don't think this shampoo gives that shine like CG wash & gloss or glossworkz...

Does anyone Know anything about this ? or about shampoos ?
Would Wash&gloss give the right foam I am looking for?

That Foam, that makes your car All white

The right foam: Like this video:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uXlEMGc_60]Foam Cannon - YouTube[/video]

or like this video:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQvvyGoHDkc]Chemical Guys Professional Foam Cannon - Amazing Honeydew Snow Foam HOT BLONDE GIRL SPRAYING FOAM - YouTube[/video]

I would really appriciate any comments and help given! I need to deside what shampoo I will be using for the next.... months? years? who knows...
I need to make the right choice!

Thank you!
 
No, if you have a question you should contact them. I had several questions about using Duragloss products on a new car I bought. Jerry at Duragloss was very responsive and answered all my questions (via email). I have to believe people in this business do that as a matter of course and welcome your questions. If they did not, I would trade with someone else.

As far as the video is concerned, I think he does mention all the attributes that the various shampoos have, including those well suited for guns and cannons. Most all of CG shampoos foam up nicely in guns (I use the "Clear") and are favorite gun washes here at AutoGeek. Contact them for specific answers and I'm sure they will help you.
 
No, if you have a question you should contact them. I had several questions about using Duragloss products on a new car I bought. Jerry at Duragloss was very responsive and answered all my questions (via email). I have to believe people in this business do that as a matter of course and welcome your questions. If they did not, I would trade with someone else.

As far as the video is concerned, I think he does mention all the attributes that the various shampoos have, including those well suited for guns and cannons. Most all of CG shampoos foam up nicely in guns (I use the "Clear") and are favorite gun washes here at AutoGeek. Contact them for specific answers and I'm sure they will help you.

Guess your right, I will call them, Tried now and I am always transferred to the "leave a message"... CG has weird working hours or what?
 
All of the soaps that get talked about on here are great in foam cannons! DG 901/902, CG honeydew, Optimum car wash and so on. I use honeydew because I think it smells the best when sprayed compared to the other two.

I will warn you that with any chemical guys soap, suds that thick will eat away at your wax or sealant IME. I put 2 oz of honeydew into a foam cannon and let the soap dwell on my car for maybe 5 minutes or so. When I came back to rinse it I noticed the sheeting had slowed down quite a bit. Now I only use 1 oz of soap and dilute that with 16 oz of water before spraying it. I was using DP poli coat topped with optimum car wax if anyone was wondering.
 
AHHHH... help?
I just called and they said that with an electric pressure washer you won't get enough power to get really thick foam... ? is that right ?
I am buying a Electric Karcher Pressure washer with 4 Horse Power
Weights 23KG.... Costs about 600$... would that be good enough ????
Anyone ? =( =(
 
Optimum Shampoo foams up really well with my AG HD foam cannon.
 
Honeydew/mr pink love the smell of both foam great and work well for me on weekly washes. Citrus wash and gloss for stripping

Sent from my SGH-T889 using AG Online
 
Honeydew/mr pink love the smell of both foam great and work well for me on weekly washes. Citrus wash and gloss for stripping

Sent from my SGH-T889 using AG Online

I think your wrong, Citrus wash & Gloss won't strip anything.
the stripping is "Citrus red"....
I actually called Chemical guys and they told me that:
Citrus wash & gloss AND glossworkz shampoo Does not stip...

Are you 100% sure ?
 
I suppose any car wash will "strip" wax if you don't dilute it very much. I have the CitrusWash "Clear" (which I believe is the same as their Gloss shampoo but without the "gloss"). The instructions say it is fine for every day wash and will not strip LSP if diluted 1/2oz to a two gallon bucket of water. However, it says (and I have the bottle right here in front of me): "dilute two oz. with one gallon water for superior surface cleaner to remove built up grime and leftover wax". I'm not sure what they mean by "leftover" but clearly, the high concentration ratio they recommend will impact on the durability of the LSP, and maybe remove it totally. I do not use it at that "removal" ratio and prefer it mostly for my foam gun and weekly wash bucket at the more diluted ratio. You are correct that they do have a dedicated shampoo used mostly for stripping. In fact, CGs seem to have a dedicated wash for almost everything. I forgot to mention that they recommend one ounce of the Citrus wash per 16oz water in the foam gun.
 
I don't see it mentioned much when talking about foam cannons but I love Megs hyper wash in my foam cannon. Used many chemical guys washes and really do like them but IME hyper wash wins every time in my book.
 
I suppose any car wash will "strip" wax if you don't dilute it very much. I have the CitrusWash "Clear" (which I believe is the same as their Gloss shampoo but without the "gloss"). The instructions say it is fine for every day wash and will not strip LSP if diluted 1/2oz to a two gallon bucket of water. However, it says (and I have the bottle right here in front of me): "dilute two oz. with one gallon water for superior surface cleaner to remove built up grime and leftover wax". I'm not sure what they mean by "leftover" but clearly, the high concentration ratio they recommend will impact on the durability of the LSP, and maybe remove it totally. I do not use it at that "removal" ratio and prefer it mostly for my foam gun and weekly wash bucket at the more diluted ratio. You are correct that they do have a dedicated shampoo used mostly for stripping. In fact, CGs seem to have a dedicated wash for almost everything. I forgot to mention that they recommend one ounce of the Citrus wash per 16oz water in the foam gun.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! so just to be sure, you're saying that with the right ratio ( lets say 2oz per Gallon ) it should do what they say in the description ( of course ).

Now, Do you know much Shampoo You need for the pressure washer Foam Cannon bottle ?

I know Both Foam Cannon ( Chemical guys and Autogeek HP cannons ) are 1 Liter...
I saw that Chemical guys use 4oz of soap ( in this case... Honeydew soap ) and the rest of the bottle with water...

Is that a good ratio ? that WON'T strip my wax and sealant?
According to you, how much would be "Too much" ? and would strip wax?

I just don't really know about foam cannon, until now I only hand wash ( AHHH... toooo long... ).

How much would strip paint in a foam cannon and how much is the "Safe zone" ?

I Would really appreciate an answer... this is so important to me! Thank you very much!!!
 
Sasson, this is one of the questions you can ask when you contact CGs. They will tell you the best ratios to use for their various shampoos, both for the foam guns and cannons as well as the bucket wash. They can tell you the ratios for stripping wax and for maintenance. As I said before from reading the label on my bottle of "Clear", it has different ratios for stripping and regular washes. The CG website shows that you should dilute this particular shampoo (I'm not sure about the others) at the rate of 1oz to 16oz water for the gun or cannon. Maybe they would recommend this ratio for other products or maybe they are different. Here is a long article that might help you. I found it some time back at another forum and I think I may have posted it here before. Keep in mind the author is talking about a foam gun but the principals will most likely work with a cannon as well:

"Since Gemini suggested that we have a thread dedicated to foam gun ratios, I figured I'd volunteer my time for it (hey I'm on summer break and I love helping everyone at DB). However, I'll only be offering what I know for my Gilmour Foamaster II #95QGFMR.

The particular Gilmour model I have has a multi-ratio dial with 5 mixing head settings. All these settings/specifications can be seen at the Gilmour website for your own personal reference.

The most common used setting, at least for me anyways, has always been the C setting with an output volume of 4 oz./gal. In most cases car wash shampoos suggest having 1 oz of car wash shampoo added for every gallon of water. Initially you might ask, why not just keep it simple and use the A setting where its output volume is 1 oz./gal? The answer is the foam gun is not capable of sucking such a viscous liquid through its siphon tube. Now I can not attest to whether this is true or not but I don't dare try it myself. However, there is the exception with some of those cheaper car wash shampoos in which they are pretty watery (and probably not great car wash shampoos altogether).

There's also the B setting (2 oz./gal.) which can be used as well but just remember that your shampoo mixture may still be too viscous for the foam gun to handle. One nice thing about the B setting though is that you will not be required to refill as often as you would as the C, D, or E settings.

Since I mentioned the D and E settings, I will say that these settings are definitely not ideal. Their output flow, 6 oz./gal. and 12 oz./gal. respectively, is just too fast and will require a lot of refilling! For me, these are simply not an option almost all the time but perhaps maybe it is for others. I won't even bother with the E setting as it's just not practical for me but I will mention the one occasion in which the D setting is actually useful later. Anyway, on to the hard numbers!

We'll start with the most common dilution, 1 oz of car wash shampoo to 1 gallon of water. The 95GQFMR is a quart container which is the equivalent of 32 oz. At the C setting, we have an output flow of 4 oz./gal. Now in essence, we want 1 oz of that 4 oz./gal. flow to be car wash shampoo and in order to achieve that, we must have a 3:1 ratio in the 95GFQFMR container. So how do you do that? It's pretty simple. You add 8 oz of car wash shampoo and 24 oz of water so that your ratio comes out to 3:1. So what if you want to use the B setting? Sure, that can be done. Your ratio will then effectively be 2:2 or 1:1 and you will be adding 16 oz of car wash shampoo and 16 oz of water. The only concern with using the B setting is whether or not your mixed solution will be soluble enough to be sucked up through the siphon tube and provide the proper volume output. Of course as I mentioned before, the B setting will require less refilling than using the C setting which is nice.

Ok, so what about car wash shampoos such as Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss? Well, they have 2 different dilutions for separate applications. There is one dilution that is ideal for the weekly wash in which 1/2 oz of CWG is required for every 2 gallons of water or 1/4 oz of CWG for every gallon of water. There's also the paint cleanser dilution which is 2 oz of CWG for every gallon of water.

In order to achieve the proper dilution for CWG as a weekly wash, we need 1/4 oz of car wash shampoo for every gallon of water. Now this gets a little tricky with the 95QGFMR and I may lose you in its translation. Since our previous dilutions have been 1 oz of car wash shampoo to 1 gallon of water, we need to figure out what setting we'll be using before we dive further into the numbers.

If we want to go with the most common C setting, the short answer is we divide by 4. Now if we divide our original 8 oz of car wash shampoo by 4, that gives us 2 oz of car wash shampoo and leaves us with the remaining 30 oz of the 95QGFMR to be filled with water. To fully understand how this calculates out, we have to remember that at the C setting we are outputting at a rate of 4 oz./gal and we want 1/4 oz./gal. If you think about it, 2 oz of car wash shampoo to 30 oz of water is simply 30:2 or 15:1. However, we are still at a ratio to 1 and what we really want is to 1/4 or .25 in order to understand the numbers in a simpler form. To keep it fairly simple, we divide both sides of the ratio (15:1) by 4 which gives us 3.75:.25. Well what do you know, these two numbers add up to a total of 4, meaning 4 oz, which also meets our requirement of 4 oz./gal. output flow.

So what if you want to use the B setting? It's pretty simple. Just use 4 oz of CWG and 28 oz of water, with the ratios working out as follows (keep in mind these are all equivalents): 28:4 -> 14:2 -> 7:1 -> 3.5:.5. -> 1.75:.25.

Okay, now that's out of the way. What if you want to use it as a paintwork cleanser? So it's 2 oz of car wash shampoo to 1 gallon of water. Ok, simple enough but it's doubtful that you'll be using the B setting for this one. Essentially if you do decide to use the B setting you'll have to fill the entire container with solid CWG, non-diluted. As I mentioned before, the 95GQFMR will not be likely to successfully suck this viscous liquid through it's siphon tube. So C setting it is and it's simple. You need 2 oz of car wash shampoo for every gallon of water and at the C setting we have an output flow of 4 oz./gal. Essentially, we just need a 1:1 ratio here, 16 oz of CWG and 16 oz of water. Now if that mixture may be too viscous still (I haven't tried it myself yet), this would probably be the only occasion in which the D setting would be feasible, IMO. At the D setting we have an output flow of 6 oz./gal. which would mean that in order to achieve a 2 oz of car wash shampoo for every gallon of water, we'd need a 2:1 ratio, which roughly comes out to 11 oz of CWG and 21 oz of water (the ratio isn't exactly 2:1).

Ok so that was a lot of reading (if some of you actually read it all) but below you will find the short and sweet version for your reference. I'll continue to add to it if need be. I hope my English was structured well enough to understand, LoL. Either way, I hope it helps out some of the fellow foam gun users who are still new to its dilution ratios or just need some refreshing of their memory. Enjoy!

Gilmour Foamaster II #95GQFMR
Any car wash soap at 1 oz per gallon of water
C setting - 8 oz of any car wash soap + 24 oz of water
B setting - 16 oz of any car wash soap + 16 oz of water

Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss at 1/4 oz per gallon of water (weekly wash), also applies to Citrus Wash & Clear and Maxi Suds II
C setting - 2 oz of CWG/CWC/MSII + 30 oz of water
B setting - 4 oz of CWG/CWC/MSII + 28 oz of water

Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss at 2 oz per gallon of water (paintwork cleanser)
C setting - 16 oz of CWG + 16 oz of water
D setting - 11 oz CWG + 21 oz of water

Detailer's Pride Xtreme Foam at .4 oz per gallon of water
C setting - 3.2 oz of DPXF + 28.8 oz of water
B setting - 6.4 oz of DPXF + 25.6 oz of water

Detailer's Pride Xtreme Foam at .5 oz per gallon of water (for simplicity and/or rounder numbers)
C setting - 4 oz of DPXF + 28 oz of water
B setting - 8 oz of DPXF + 24 oz of water"
 
Gilmour Foamaster II #95GQFMR
Any car wash soap at 1 oz per gallon of water
C setting - 8 oz of any car wash soap + 24 oz of water
B setting - 16 oz of any car wash soap + 16 oz of water

Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss at 1/4 oz per gallon of water (weekly wash), also applies to Citrus Wash & Clear and Maxi Suds II
C setting - 2 oz of CWG/CWC/MSII + 30 oz of water
B setting - 4 oz of CWG/CWC/MSII + 28 oz of water

Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss at 2 oz per gallon of water (paintwork cleanser)
C setting - 16 oz of CWG + 16 oz of water
D setting - 11 oz CWG + 21 oz of water

Detailer's Pride Xtreme Foam at .4 oz per gallon of water
C setting - 3.2 oz of DPXF + 28.8 oz of water
B setting - 6.4 oz of DPXF + 25.6 oz of water

Detailer's Pride Xtreme Foam at .5 oz per gallon of water (for simplicity and/or rounder numbers)
C setting - 4 oz of DPXF + 28 oz of water
B setting - 8 oz of DPXF + 24 oz of water"

Thank you! That's Great! I just want my Karcher now!
 
Guess your right, I will call them, Tried now and I am always transferred to the "leave a message"... CG has weird working hours or what?

I guess that meets the 24x7 claim.

The CG video with Greg is pretty good run down of their products but still a lot of overlap.
 
So mr pink will strip the wax if not diluted properly? I thought it was ph neutral
 
Maxisuds ii is all you need. I can pretty much say that you won't notice a foam difference between honeydew and maxisuds
 
So mr pink will strip the wax if not diluted properly? I thought it was ph neutral

From CG web site. I find the dilution a surprise since they also say:
"Mr. Pink is super concentrated for a 1:4000 dilution ratio".

Dilution: 1 ounce to 2 gallons of water (this would be 1:256 to me)
Scent: Candy
Color: Pink
Gloss Enhancer: Yes
Wax: No
Foam: High
Wax/Sealant safe: Yes
Works in foam gun: Yes
Slickness level: High
pH balanced: Yes
Safe for light color cars: Yes
Safe for dark color cars: Yes
 
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