Looking to buy a flex 3401

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Looking into a flex, currently have a pc and I want to upgrade, but not sure I want to pay the new price. Anyone selling used?

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If there is more than one person selling I would like one too after the OP gets his.

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I may be selling mine in a month once I go away to college. I might keep it though.
 
I have the PC also but just bought the Griot's DA, twice the power of my PC, much faster corrections.
I've use the Flex befor and have to be honest, the GG DA comes pretty darn close to the Flex for half the price.
I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't used it myself.

Just a thought.


bootstrap said:
Looking into a flex, currently have a pc and I want to upgrade, but not sure I want to pay the new price. Anyone selling used?

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Man you guys... now I am going to have to buy a Flex, Rupes and Griots haha (kidding)

I like collecting Machines, I already have 2 why not 3 more? :P

But I am leaning for a Flex for my next machine purchase. I talked to customer service at AG and they said the it could buff out 2000 or 2500, which is not that dramatic.

Like the Rupes at 1500, my case is somewhat different, because I will be working on newly painted cars. (Somewhat, well when I head do to the shop I mean)

Anybody want to let me borrow their Flex and Rupes so I can test them out for a month or two? :D
 
Lol. Sure!

hernandez.art13 said:
Man you guys... now I am going to have to buy a Flex, Rupes and Griots haha (kidding)

I like collecting Machines, I already have 2 why not 3 more? :P

But I am leaning for a Flex for my next machine purchase. I talked to customer service at AG and they said the it could buff out 2000 or 2500, which is not that dramatic.

Like the Rupes at 1500, my case is somewhat different, because I will be working on newly painted cars. (Somewhat, well when I head do to the shop I mean)

Anybody want to let me borrow their Flex and Rupes so I can test them out for a month or two? :D
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Not at all, nothing like my PC, it's the real deal IMO.
It truly is a nice machine.
I can use it all day and not get tired, like today.
the handle is a plus in hard to reach areas.

Ome more thing I love is you don't put nearly as much pressure as the PC, even if you did it won't bog down keeping the pad spinning fast which makes for fast and better work.
Glad I bought it, my PC is boxed up:)


hernandez.art13 said:
Does the Griots vibrate like the PC?
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Swanicyouth - I can't speak for the OP but the reason I ended up going with the Flex 3401 was I wanted something to tackle the real tough jobs that my PC wouldn't touch, or wouldn't touch as quickly. I was initially leaning towards the Rupes 21 but Mike talked me into the Flex.
 
Mach1USMC said:
Swanicyouth - I can't speak for the OP but the reason I ended up going with the Flex 3401 was I wanted something to tackle the real tough jobs that my PC wouldn't touch, or wouldn't touch as quickly. I was initially leaning towards the Rupes 21 but Mike talked me into the Flex.
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Same.

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Maybe my logic is flawed, but I can't see how a Flex offers much benefit over a Griots. I understand its direct drive, but a GG6 (at least mine) seems impossible to bog down. I also understand the 3401 isn't all that great with microfiber pads, which seem to be everyone's go to for trashed paint.

It also seems with the 3401 you loose some of the benefits of a free floating spindle mechanism, like the safety factor of it being less likely to burn paint. While I'm sure its much smoother and more pleasing to work with than a Griots, does the 3401 really offer a huge benefit since its spinning the pad with the same stroke?

It just seems to me the large stroke of the Rupes is more of a game changer. I've read some of Kevin Browns theories on why large stroke machine cut faster and finish better with little detriments, it seems like sound logic. It also seems to make sense that there would be a real time benefit with a Rupes, since you cover a larger area with a larger stroke.

Don't know. Just thinking out loud.
 
I'd be using a flex over a pc.

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HateSwirls said:
I have the PC also but just bought the Griot's DA, twice the power of my PC, much faster corrections.
I've use the Flex befor and have to be honest, the GG DA comes pretty darn close to the Flex for half the price.
I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't used it myself.

Just a thought.
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Wow. Hadn't even considered it. I could do that i think! Same price as the pc and twice the power??

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swanicyouth said:
Maybe my logic is flawed, but I can't see how a Flex offers much benefit over a Griots. I understand its direct drive, but a GG6 (at least mine) seems impossible to bog down. I also understand the 3401 isn't all that great with microfiber pads, which seem to be everyone's go to for trashed paint.

It also seems with the 3401 you loose some of the benefits of a free floating spindle mechanism, like the safety factor of it being less likely to burn paint. While I'm sure its much smoother and more pleasing to work with than a Griots, does the 3401 really offer a huge benefit since its spinning the pad with the same stroke?

It just seems to me the large stroke of the Rupes is more of a game changer. I've read some of Kevin Browns theories on why large stroke machine cut faster and finish better with little detriments, it seems like sound logic. It also seems to make sense that there would be a real time benefit with a Rupes, since you cover a larger area with a larger stroke.

Don't know. Just thinking out loud.
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Maybe my logic is flawed, but I can't see how a Flex offers much benefit over a Griots. Its flawed, lol. One just has to spend time with the two. I understand its direct drive, but a GG6 (at least mine) seems impossible to bog down. GG6 is a quality polisher and about 2X more powerful than a PC, which is also a quality polisher, but it can bogg down on curved panels. . I also understand the 3401 isn't all that great with microfiber pads, true, which seem to be everyone's go to for trashed paint. Not true. There are many "go to" paint correction techniques. The reason why you may feel this way is most detailers buy a DA to start with. The MF system was designed to amp up the correction power of the DA. It therefore is marketing to a very large group. And it is a very good correction system. Another is a rotary plus a DA, wool plus foam pads.

It also seems with the 3401 you loose some of the benefits of a free floating spindle mechanism, like the safety factor of it being less likely to burn paint. Maybe but technique and experience avoids burnt paint. While I'm sure its much smoother and more pleasing to work with than a Griots, does the 3401 really offer a huge benefit since its spinning the pad with the same stroke? Yep

It just seems to me the large stroke of the Rupes is more of a game changer. I've read some of Kevin Browns theories on why large stroke machine cut faster and finish better with little detriments, it seems like sound logic. It also seems to make sense that there would be a real time benefit with a Rupes, since you cover a larger area with a larger stroke. All pertty much true but the polisher is still under powered but it seems to be the most powerful true DA on the market. Don't get me wrong all the polishers mentioned are very good. Detailers should have several polishers. The GG is a great value and bang for the buck. A great use for your PC is applying wax or what I've done is made it a dedicated 4" pad polisher to save time when doing smaller areas. With 4" pads the PC is much more powerful.

Don't know. Just thinking out loud. No problem that's what AGO is all about ( but you already knew that).

richy turned me on to Tuf Buf Black Wool pads for the 3401 just a sweet combo. That and M105 and I ca correct 1500 grit sanding marks. My rotary is collecting dust.
 
I agree with you totally.
As I said I used a Flex and now that I have my GG DA I see no need to upgrade to a Flex, very happy.





swanicyouth said:
Maybe my logic is flawed, but I can't see how a Flex offers much benefit over a Griots. I understand its direct drive, but a GG6 (at least mine) seems impossible to bog down. I also understand the 3401 isn't all that great with microfiber pads, which seem to be everyone's go to for trashed paint.

It also seems with the 3401 you loose some of the benefits of a free floating spindle mechanism, like the safety factor of it being less likely to burn paint. While I'm sure its much smoother and more pleasing to work with than a Griots, does the 3401 really offer a huge benefit since its spinning the pad with the same stroke?

It just seems to me the large stroke of the Rupes is more of a game changer. I've read some of Kevin Browns theories on why large stroke machine cut faster and finish better with little detriments, it seems like sound logic. It also seems to make sense that there would be a real time benefit with a Rupes, since you cover a larger area with a larger stroke.

Don't know. Just thinking out loud.
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I payed 140.00 with shipping.
It has a 7 amp motor,850 watts.

My PC has a 4 amp motor, 450 watts.
It's so much better than my PC.
I can't explain it but it's just better, it's one of those things you'd have to try for yourself to appricate it.

You would be shocked to see the results you would get with it.


bootstrap said:
Wow. Hadn'turself to see what I'm t even considered it. I could do that i think! Same price as the pc and twice the power??
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