M205 question

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I've been using m205 for quite a while on all different paints. My personal vehicle is a 2013 Jetta in a dark metallic blue.

I have about 95% correction as of now. There's a few RIDS and chips but I can deal with that. It's when I was cleaning up from this brutal northeast winter, all of the water spots and such that I used 205 on a flat LC white pad.

After doing 5 passes up then down, up and down again over a 2x2 area, I was ready to wipe off. I only used about 4 pea sized drops after the pad was completely primed. Anyways, when I went to wipe off, it came off fine but when I checked in the sun, I could see these striations going the way of my towel, side to side.

I'm thinking a few things.

One being my towels are just not as clean as I thought they were although a visual inspection tells me they're pretty clean. I clean them properly with all necessary measures.

Secondly, though 205 is non diminishing, could I need to work the product longer?

Finally, I did use Menz inspection to remove oils and residues. I felt this made everything granny and could lead to marring. If that is the case, do I remove oils by just re washing with a citrus wash instead?

I'm puzzled and frustrated.
 
If the striations are going the same direction you are wiping with the towel; I do not think it is a M205 problem, but is instead a towel problem.

Has the care ever been thru a car wash with brushes? I ask, because maybe these "Striations" are brush marks that have never been removed?
 
No I've taken care of it since it was brand new. The paint is nearly 99% perfect with just these marrings that are visible. I'm guessing it could be my towels so I ordered some fresh ones but I also use the IPA wipedown and it feels so grabby that I wonder if it's almost "anti lubricating" and marring? I don't know. I'm frustrated still and I just don't want to see these lines anymore.
 
Hmmmmmm, man I've used 205 since it was released and never had issues.
Not sure what to tell you that would help except maybe try different towels, method, pads, etc.
keep trying until you figure it out.
I wish I could be more helpful
 
I've given up for the time being. No matter what I try, ONR soaked towels, clean towels, different pads, nothing. All I get is marring. And I am sure it's the towels in drying with which means I can't dry off or wipe off anything. Sooooo frustrated
 
As you have tried different pads, towels, etc maybe try a different polish. Maybe M205 is not wiping away cleanly for you like it should. You also may be over working it.

See if you can pick up Ultimate Polish locally and give it a shot or if you make an online purchase grab some Wolfgang FG or Menzerna SF4000.
 
Great suggestions you already had,

However a picture would be needed for me to understand better what you're talking about.

It'll also help others to give more precise suggestions.

Thanks in advance,

Kind Regards.
 
Try this.

Use 3 or 4 pea-sized drops on a clean, new (or washed and dried) pad. Do not prime. Do 4 passes with med pressure. Wipe off.

From what I've seen, difficult removal is tied to too much polish that has not broken down. Even non-diminishing polishes with break down a bit -- which is why they turn a bit clear after a few passes.
 
Ive had this problem on a couple cars in the past, when wiping off the polish marrs the paint.

when i'm in this situation I use one of the two :

1 - I always have a bucket mixed up with my rinseless wash solution. With a few MF towel in there. Completely wring out the towel and wipe off the polish. stick with a rinseless wash without wax (megs express wash, or ONR, even Ultima WW+ which you dont have to really buff in)

2 - Carpro Eraser. Polish out the section then soak the panel with Eraser. Wait about 30 seconds, the carefully wipe up the majority of the polish and solution. then make a second pass with your completely wrung out rinseless wash towel.

Lately I have been using the Yellow Fellow , Microfiber Madness towels to remove polish and those things are super gentle on the paint and pick up polish like nothing I have ever used. I guess that could be another option to try.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. I thought at first I was not working the product long enough. Then too much. Still same result.

I would post a picture but it's hard for me to even see the marrings in person. It may doing stupid but it's the fact that I know they're there and when I look at one angle they're are not there but from another, they are. I primarily see them while walking from one side of the hood to the other.

It must be the towel or something related to my wipe off because the striations go in the direction of my first wipe off. After that, I can flip the towel to wipe again and I don't notice anything.

I've not only noticed this on my hood but all the panels I had polished. They're only visible in the sunlight.

I finally resorted to a rinseless method but instead of wiping and drying off with a towel, I just used my soft wash mitt, went over it once or twice and then blotted dry with a mf.

After that I went straight to wgdgps and left it alone. Now that all is said and done at least for now, I don't see the marrings and I can relax.... For now
 
I don't know if this is a rediculous suggestion/question, but I thought I should say it....have you clayed/ironx the car before polish?
 
finedetails said:
I don't know if this is a rediculous suggestion/question, but I thought I should say it....have you clayed/ironx the car before polish?
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It's not ridiculous at all but yes, I have clayed and chemically decontaminated as thorough as possible.

This happens to be my personal vehicle but I do this for a living as well. I've seen it a few times on other cars but they were all black cars with soft cc. My car is a dark blue metallic 2013 VW with rather hard cc but apparently that may not be the case?
 
Why don't you try compounding before the 205? I read that you live in the northeast and are recovering from the past winter, did you possibly use a brush or broom to clean your car of snow?

In my experience VW clear is pretty hard and it could be the 205 isn't aggressive enough to remove the marring your seeing. Just a thought
 
Just from reading the OP's posts I would bet he hasn't touched his paint with a "broom" or "brush".
 
What towels exactly are you using? Do you use your towels for interior and exterior or do you use certain towels for specific areas?
 
What towels are you using? I had the same problem where the edges of my towels were marring the paint as I buffed off the polish. Got some edgeless towels, no more marring.
 
This isnt a 205 issue because 205 isnt used in a horizontal motion unless its applied by hand.

More than likely the culprit is one of the following:

A] Towel was not soft enough to address this finicky paint. [recommendation: use BRAND NEW softer towels of at least 350 gsm, however for this problem i might start at 400 minimum because the paint sounds particularly finicky]

B] Towel had somehow picked up some contaminant particles in its surface.
[recommendation: use fresh towel for final polish removal]

C] Too much pressure was applied during final polish removal.
[recommendation: less pressure with a thicker towel so the towel absorbs some of the pressure applied to the panel]

Also, spritzing the removal towel with one trigger pull of distilled water [at a distance where the single pull covers the entire exposed cloth section] can also aid in pulling off polish and even compound because it adds a tad bit of friction. This means less motions with the towel engaging the paint surface and thus less chance of leaving a mark when removing polish from the panel.

hope these help out some... but dont worry, i am 1000% confident its NOT a 205 issue as the thread name implies.

THE GOOD NEWS IS: once you figure out this issue youll be all set, because it sounds as if the products are giving you the results you wanted while the final wipe off posed the issue.

:awesome:
 
TrolleyVW said:
the striations go in the direction of my first wipe off. After that, I can flip the towel to wipe again and I don't notice anything.
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M-205 is pretty oily polish. The above leads me to believe you are either adding too much product to the pad, stopping short in the polishing cycle...ultimately leaving too much product behind on the panel to wipe up with your towel of choice.

Priming, then adding extra drops of 205 to the pad, in my experience is too much product. Try using less and less product until you dial in a process that works well. Slow down your arm speed when wiping the remaining product off the panel too, giving the microfiber more time to absorb the product you're trying to remove.

It's been my experience that 205 can sometimes be cantankerous in the removal process.

Less is more.
 
M205 is so easy to use. It wipes off effortlessly. Anything beyond easy to remove is more user error than the product itself.
 
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