Megs d103 or d101 ?

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1. What is the difference in the two. I don't see d103 on their website, did d101 just take its place ?

2. From what I read, this product seems to take the place of a few cleaners. I am looking for a cleaner to clean the mud that is still left inside my fender wells, clean my running boards, clean the plastic and rubber interior dash pieces and clean my tires and wheels. Is that reasonable for this product ? And if so, will i still need a dressing on after i clean or will this protect as well ?
 
D103 was all purpose cleaner plus, it was discontinued. The replacement will be out next year, I believe. D107

And d101 does not protect, you will need dressing. It is a good all purpose cleaner if you're looking to simplify your life. I've used it on many parts of a vehicle to good effect.
 
juvefan30 said:
D103 was all purpose cleaner plus, it was discontinued. The replacement will be out next year, I believe. D107

And d101 does not protect, you will need dressing. It is a good all purpose cleaner if you're looking to simplify your life. I've used it on many parts of a vehicle to good effect.
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Thanks. Is it OK for exterior though? I was just reading reviews from how people use it on exetior trim and tires but everything on Megs site says interior.
 
You can use it on exterior components. Diluted properly, it's safe on rubber and exterior trim. Just avoid glass and be careful around aluminum, paint, wheels (ok to use on clear-coated wheels if careful) and clear plastics.
 
Yes it works great for exterior use too. I use it @10:1 and never feel the need to go stronger as it’s able to handle everything I need it to at that dilution while not being too strong for surfaces.

Carpets & matts, wheel wells [spray & hose off. I like using it better than Super Degreaser on wells because unlike D108 its less prone to turning them white once they dry], coated leather seats, dash, vinyl, door panels, plastic trim, steering wheels, it’s good for so many things @10:1.

A co worker of mine is always asking me to give him some... He even swears it’s great on glass. I told him I’ve got glass cleaner concentrate but he seems content with D101. Lol.

My mom even says it’s good on glass and she’s a professional housekeeper. I was surprised to hear her say that.. She says D120 works good but she hates the strong smell.
 
dcjredline said:
They use it on windows at 10:1?????? Wow
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I just tried it on a big mirror here inside the house... It didn’t do too bad actually. No streaks or anything, but there was very minimal “linting” or microscopic spotting [best way I can describe it] even though my glass towel never lints.

I then followed it up with a completely new sides of the towel and D120 and it made a slight improvement.. But that improvement took it to perfect, which I assume most normL people may or may not notice, but I sure can.
 
I wish they made this stuff in a smaller amount. 1 gallon for my 2 personal cars will last years and years ! haha
 
2 questions then i'll leave this topic alone..

1. I have read things about d101 and people staining their vinyl, rubber and plastic with it. Maybe they didn't dilute it enough but is this a real concern? I liked this product because i want to clean wheels, tires, wheel wells, and spot treat interior plastics, rubber, etc and then dress with something else but being new i don't want to clean and turn my black interior white !

2. Is there a less aggressive approach then d101, something more safe but will still give results? I saw PoorBoys APC and maybe its because it says bio-degradable, but is it a "safer" route ?
 
1. I've yet to experience any staining of rubber, vinyl or plastic in the 4 years I've been using D101. YMMV. You certainly shouldn't spray and let the product sit. I have used D101 undiluted on tires and bird poop to no ill effect. There could have been a myriad of reasons someone might have experienced staining. Always test an inconspicuous spot for color fastedness and use common sense.

2. Any APC diluted down to the manufacturer's recommendations will pretty much have comparable strength and safety. If you want something 'safer' you need to look into dedicated cleaners, i.e. interior detailers, carpet cleaner, tire cleaner etc. Bio-degradable doesn't necessarily mean safer, although I don't doubt The Poorboy's product is good, it probably is (never used it, but they have a good reputation).
 
juvefan30 said:
You certainly shouldn't spray and let the product sit.
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thank you, can you help me with this part. Maybe I got it wrong because I was under the impression that you dilute in a spray bottle, spray some on a towel and rub the plastic or rubber parts you want cleaned. Are you saying that i need to re-wipe with a clean towel or how exactly do i not let the product sit ? I will be dressing it afterword with an interior dressing.
 
Depends, for interior trim you spray on the towel not the panel and don't need to buff with a clean towel unless you really want to. If you clean upholstery you should wipe the excess with a clean microfiber.
 
If sprayed upon a warm or hot inside door panel and left to sit it will stain it causing run stains. I have used d101 strictly interior for 2 years now and learned to always spray it on the towel first. I do spray it on the door sills and into the cup holders but everywhere else I spray the rag. Good product for light cleaning.

I sometimes would spray the paint of filthy cars to remove the first layer of dirt but I have found it to stain some paints and leave run marks so I stopped doing that. Does not clean tires or wheels.
 
01AUDI said:
Doesn't clean tires, even at a 4:1?
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Some guys use D101 to clean tires but if you are trying to remove slimy tire dressing it's not a great option. Unless you are using D101 undiluted (which I don't recommend). Unless you already bought D101 I'd recommend waiting and give the new and improved megs citrus APC a shot.

IMO if you decide to use D101 just make sure you are using it in a well ventilated area, covering your skin, wearing Nitrile gloves, using goggles to protect your eyes, and wearing a respirator. If you think what I'm suggesting is overkill, read through the 12 page SDS sheet for D101 and decided what is best for you. Personally, I use such large quantities of both APC's and Degreaser's that I felt it was worth spending a little more money on a chemical with less potential to cause respiratory and gastrointestinal burns or serious skin burns.

A great alternative in my opinion is Nextzett 1z Blitz APC. 1z Blitz is incredibly effective diluted 30:1 and is safe enough to use without gloves (although I still suggest wearing them). Usually using ONR, D114, or Uber Rinseless is all I need for dashes, gauges, sensitive steering wheels, glass, wood veneers, faux trim, etc. But when they don't offer quite as much cleaning ability as I need in the moment, 1z Blitz diluted 30:1 is the perfect step up in aggression.


For preparing exterior trim and cleaning the nasty buildup of body oils and grime off heavily soiled leather & vinyl, Optimum Power Clean @ 7:1 is far better at truly breaking down oily/greasy messes than D101 or even D108 super degreaser yet OPC is still incredible safe and gentle. It doesn't burn and irritate my skin, it doesn't make me cough, it's more effective at removing both water-based and slimy solvent based tire dressings, and can take the place of both my APC and Degreaser by adjusting the dilution ratio.

One thing I know is important is having a "value" APC/degreaser similar to D101 or D108 to use on wheel wells, engine bays, tires, greasy door jambs, nasty interiors etc. I would suggest giving 3D Citrus Degreaser a chance. OPC is expensive at $35 a gallon and needs to be diluted between 3:1 & 7:1 to really maximize it's performance. 3D Orange Degreaser on the other hand is not only incredibly effective at 10:1 up to 15:1 but mostly it's a great value and a safer alternative. Plus it uses natural citrus solvents (D-limonene) which makes it better at breaking down grease and oils than butyl based cleaners. Also, 3D is incredibly forthcoming and makes all their SDS sheets easily accessible on the 3D website.

I will give Mckee's High Intensity APC+ an honorable mention as well. I adore this APC but unfortunately I have no way of knowing if it's any safer than D101. Nick claims it's completely safe and that Mckee's used "smart chemistry" and how it's "non-alkaline" and "doesn't contain high-octane solvents"
I'd like to verify Nick's claims because as you know "the proof is in the pudding"....unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Nick and the folks at Mckee's plan on taking their pudding to grave with them.
 
Thanks a lot for the great info mwoywod ! I have not purchased the d101 yet and I think i am going to look at other options that you have suggested.
I did purchase PoorBoys Natural Look as a top dressing to all my interior vinyl, plastics, rubber seals and leather so this cleaner i need wont be used often, but i do need it. The Mckees APC+ you mentioned sounds great, based on their description in the AG Store.. I like it because it will clean interior, leather and tires/wheels. but a gallon would last me the rest of my life ! I guess what i want is mckees "total interior cleaner" and their" cleanse - all exterior cleaner", but i am trying to alleviate two bottles and just get one all encompassing product to clean it all with.
 
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