Meguiar"s Fast Finish and Ceramic wax

[skippy56]

Hello.
I am not sure where to post this, so I hope this is the right place I am just a car guy, not a professional detailer. I love my car & use Meguiar's products.

Two months ago, I purchased a brand new car right off the showroom floor and the day I brought it home I washed it and then applied the Meguiar's ceramic wax ( the one in the blue bottle)

I have been watching many videos on a lot of products and came across Meguiar's Fast Finish and was impressed with what I saw. I know its a 2-year-old product BUT it seems to have a great reputation for extreme gloss and protection. And It was at Pep Boys for $9.99

My question is >> is it ok to apply Meguiar's Fast Finish on top of the Meguiar's ceramic wax?

would there be any benefit of doing so?

Also, do I need to remove the Meguiar's ceramic wax ( strip it ) in order to use the Meguiar's Fast Finish?


My car is always garaged & never sits outside overnight and rarely driven in rain. I live in the south where we have no snow.



I plan to use the Meguiar's ceramic wax every 4 to 6 weeks Or should I use the fast finish instead or both???


Any tips and advice are appreciated

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Hello.
I am not sure where to post this, so I hope this is the right place I am just a car guy, not a professional detailer. I love my car & use Meguiar's products.

Since this is your first post,

Welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:

Two months ago, I purchased a brand new car right off the showroom floor and the day I brought it home I washed it and then applied the Meguiar's ceramic wax ( the one in the blue bottle)

I have been watching many videos on a lot of products and came across Meguiar's Fast Finish and was impressed with what I saw. I know its a 2-year-old product BUT it seems to have a great reputation for extreme gloss and protection. And It was at Pep Boys for $9.99

My question is >> is it ok to apply Meguiar's Fast Finish on top of the Meguiar's ceramic wax?

would there be any benefit of doing so?

Also, do I need to remove the Meguiar's ceramic wax ( strip it ) in order to use the Meguiar's Fast Finish?

Great questions!


I think some people will say there will be a "bonding" issue, that is will the Fast Finish bond to the Ceramic Wax?


Me? My guess is it probably will. Can't hurt to try.


A "purist" would strip the paint and then apply the Fast Finish. In my experience, if you're going to go this route, I would use a fine cut polish like the Ultimate Polish instead of trying to chemically strip the paint.

 

[FurtadoZ9]

I agree with Mike! Fast finish is a "true" (as some people would say) paint sealant in that, it does not have any filling properties. An example of a filling sealant would be meguiars ultimate paste wax, which will typically have the word "polymer" associated with it.

True paint sealants (non filling) like to be applied to virgin, flat surfaces. They can also be used on a surface with imperfections, but will bond better to a flat panel.

For this reason, it probably won't adhere very long to the ceramic spray you've applied. Additionally, Si02 (ceramic) applications tend to repel anything that tries to bond to them. Which is why you will see Si02 toppers recommended on top of "ceramic coatings."

So for those two reasons, it probably won't stick. I would ride out the life of your ceramic spray, then try fast finish after. And in the meantime you can top your ceramic spray with a natural, caranuba wax, for a little extra pop and shine.

Hope this helps.

 

[FUNX650]

Fast finish is a "true" (as some people
would say) paint sealant in that, it does
not have any filling properties.

An example of a filling sealant would
be meguiars ultimate paste wax, which
will typically have the word "polymer"
associated with it.

•Ahem...
-Fast Finish does contain polymers:
1.) Decamethylcyclopentasiloxane
2.) Polydimethylsiloxane
-As such:
Would it not, (by using your polymer-
descriptor), be a “filling” Sealant?

Regardless:
What an interesting, and thought-provoking
idea for a line-of-demarcation.

True paint sealants (non filling) like to be
applied to virgin, flat surfaces. They can
also be used on a surface with imperfections,
but will bond better to a flat panel.

•IMO:
-Since no paint finish can ever be made
completely flat...all LSPs (Waxes, Sealants,
Coatings, etc.) will “fill”, to some extent.

-In this context, then:
All LSPs, including Sealants, are “fillers”.
Amiright?



Bob

 

[FurtadoZ9]

•Ahem...
-Fast Finish does contain polymers:
1.) Decamethylcyclopentasiloxane
2.) Polydimethylsiloxane
-As such:
Would it not, (by using your polymer-
descriptor), be a "filling" sealant?

Hi Bob,

Your are correct. All LSP's will fill to an extent. It is incorrect of me to say that non-polymer products (or ones with lesser content) will not mask imperfections.

Perhaps specificity was the issue. I apologize and will re-address with a thought provoking scenario that could, establish that line.

If you were to take a handful of panels from daily driven vehicles with, very visible impurities and applied say, Fast Finish on one side of the panels, and Meguiars Ultimate Past Wax on the other side of the panels, which side would you say had consistently less visible impurities after application?

-Since no paint finish can ever be made
completely flat...all LSPs (Waxes, Sealants,
Coatings, etc.) will “fill”, to some extent.

-In this context, then:
All LSPs, including Sealants, are “fillers”.
Amiright?

Uareright. I'll clarify for the OP, since I'm sure someone of your experience understood that I was referring to corrected panels, and not the theoretic notion that panels could be microscopically flat.

Fast finish, being that it does not contain the same, polymer filling capabilities, as a product such as, Meguiars Ultimate Paste Wax, is much happier on a panel that, for example, was compound and polished to the point where the human eye could no longer detect visible defects with a 1400 lumen LED light, compared to a panel that has a decade of daily driving and no corrections.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

-In this context, then:

All LSPs, including Sealants, are “fillers”.

Am I right?


Bob

I think you are. I also think people get way to anal retentive about this topic in most cases.

For what it's worth, I have two articles on this topic.


From 2008

Any wax that works fills to some degree



From 2012

Any wax, paint sealant or coating that works fills to some degree



I've been involved with so many discussions on fillers. I don't even like the topic because I'd say most people have no idea what they are talking about and in the BIG PICTURE - at least to me it's a non-issue.


Find something you like and use it often

 

[FUNX650]

Fast finish, being that it does not contain
the same, polymer filling capabilities,

as a product such as, Meguiars Ultimate
Paste Wax...

•That’s where we differ in opinion.

•Each of these Meguiar’s products
contain this sub-set of polymers:
-Polydimethylsiloxanes

•On top of that...
-Fast Finish contains an additional sub-set of
polymers: Decamethylcyclopentasiloxanes.

For your consideration:
•With this amount of polymers, one certainly
could deduce (by using your analogy) that:
Fast Finish should be as good as—or even better
than—Ultimate Wax, at having “filling” capabilities.


[And No...I’m not (too) AR. :laughing:]


Bob