Meguiars #3 Machine Glaze... some questions

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Hi guys, well a have a brand new bottle from Megs Machine Glaze #3 sitting and I really want to use it, but I have a couple of questions:
My car is already with Klasse High Gloss Sealant applied:

- Will #3 take klasse sealant off ?
- Will a clear coat soak in anyway the oils in it ? (I saw Mike's post where he let a good amount of #3 or #7 soak into a single stage paint and it was night and day difference)
- #3 is said for a rotary, can I apply it with a DA ? (AG says it can go with DA but #3 label clear states that #7 is the DA version)
- How do you like to apply it ?
- Will it just wash off the paint after the first water fluid touches it ?
- When applied before LSP, will it interfere with a Wax or Sealant durability ?

Well.. just a couple of questions like I said... :laughing:
 
Hi guys, well a have a brand new bottle from Megs Machine Glaze #3 sitting and I really want to use it, but I have a couple of questions:
My car is already with Klasse High Gloss Sealant applied:

- Will #3 take klasse sealant off ?

For questions like these it helps to frame the question in extremes... first let me say that #3 like #7 is non-abrasive, that is there is nothing in the formula with the intended purpose of abrading the paint.

Now for the extreme...

When applying any product, you have the product, the application material and the "action" that is whatever the process is for applying the product with the material.

Even a smooth, creamy lotion type product can have a cleaning effect as the result from moving it over and against the surface with some type of application material.


Question: Will applying #3 Machine Glaze add Klasse Sealant Glaze to the paint?

Answer: The answer of course is "no"

Now ask yourself... what's the opposite of adding...


You're either doing one thing or the other when rubbing a product over a painted surface.

Klasse Sealant Glaze is an actual sealant, so I doubt you would push much of the polishing oils past this layer to the surface of the paint. If you want to apply the #3 to the paint then remove the sealant first.


See this article,

Factors that affect how aggressive or non-aggressive a product is




- Will a clear coat soak in anyway the oils in it ? (I saw Mike's post where he let a good amount of #3 or #7 soak into a single stage paint and it was night and day difference)

I've posted this a lot in the past but I'm pretty sure most people gloss over it... pun intended...

A brand new basecoat/clearcoat paint job, either from the factory or a body shop is very impermeable, that is non-porous. It's solid.

As time goes by and the car sees wear-n-tear, compounding, washing, etc. the clear coat becomes more opened up. It's still not porous like a single stage but I've witnessed first hand polishing oils penetrating into a clear coat at least to some degree and to some level but still very topical. The result is a darkening or clarifying effect and wiping the "surface" with a microfiber does not undo the effect. That means whatever took place took place below the surface. Remember microfiber is "microscopic" fibers and these tiny fibers can get into the hills and valleys of a clear coat finish but they can't get into the pockets and pores or interstices...


- #3 is said for a rotary, can I apply it with a DA ? (AG says it can go with DA but #3 label clear states that #7 is the DA version)

When #3 came out sometime in the 1930's or 1940's for the most part there were only rotary buffers. The TOB or Traditional Orbital Buffer didn't come along till I think the 1950's as did the Cyclo.

Basically, #3 was for machine polishing or glazing single stage paint and #7 was for hand glazing paint. #3 was and is a wetter version of #7.



- How do you like to apply it ?

By hand, DA, Rotary, Cyclo, Flex, TOB, anyway you like, it's actually a very versatile non-abrasive pure polish.

When I used to work at all the World of Wheel Shows and Portland, Tacoma and Seattle Roadster Shows I met a lot of old timers that applied #3 by hand.


- Will it just wash off the paint after the first water fluid touches it ?

Not like most people explain that it leaves like this... :bolt:

But it is water soluble and if you're applying it to a clear coat finish in good condition there's really not a lot places for it to go except on the surface.

With a porous single stage it will seep in and thus won't simply wash off the surface.

Now there's a lot of factors involved with washing a car like using a non-detergent was or a detergent wash and a detergent wash used on a porous single stage paint will leach out any polishing oils. This will promote oxidation.

How to maintain a freshly waxed car


- When applied before LSP, will it interfere with a Wax or Sealant durability ?

You'll get a lot of opinions on this and some people will tend to even get very emotional over this topic, so fair warning.

I have an article that I'll include below but suffice to say,

Follow the directions from the manufacture of the wax, sealant or coating you're using. If they say their product needs a oil free surface for their specific protection ingredients to bond to the paint then listen to them.

Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding


Well.. just a couple of questions like I said... :laughing:

And the above is the art of dissecting a post by expanding the message box using the Editor Mode and then also using the multi-quote option provided by vBulletin.


One more article,

A tip to help yourself get great answers when you start a thread


:D
 
#3 came out first in glass bottles because plastic hadn't been invented yet... the below is also the very rare green label version...

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Then later in the very rare cylinder plastic bottles... most cracked becaue early plastic was brittle anyway and it doesn't get more flexible with time...

450_MGM3_001.jpg




:)
 
Now that's some very good information you put there Mike!
Geez don't you ever get tired from typing ? You're like everywhere here... :urtheman:

I really appreciate your help and time... all your points were spot on... :dblthumb2:

Now....
- Would you consider a 2.5 years old clear coat still very new (if well cared) regarding being porous or not ?

- Would a soft paint tend to be more porous than a hard one ?

Well.. only 2 questions.... :laughing:
 
Now that's some very good information you put there Mike!
Geez don't you ever get tired from typing ? You're like everywhere here... :urtheman:

I really appreciate your help and time... all your points were spot on... :dblthumb2:

I'm part machine. :D


Now....
- Would you consider a 2.5 years old clear coat still very new (if well cared) regarding being porous or not ?

No.

- Would a soft paint tend to be more porous than a hard one ?

No.

If it were me and I owned your car... I'd find something else to use the #3 on...


:)
 
I'm part machine. :D

You gotta be!
I hope you won't help Skynet on the future.... :laughing:

I'm part machine. :D

If it were me and I owned your car... I'd find something else to use the #3 on...

:)

I got your message... :dblthumb2:

But let me tell why oh why I'm insisting in trying something with my car.....
When factory new this car really has a very dark red, but now it is less dark and I really wanted to get that darker red look again...

I already asked about it on this thread: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/42853-topping-klasse-sealant-red.html

So I was thinking: Well, maybe #3 could do that.....

But I think I'm just looking for a silver bullet that doesn't exists... :o
 
So I was thinking: Well, maybe #3 could do that.....

But I think I'm just looking for a silver bullet that doesn't exists... :o


Here's how you can find out...

Machine polish the top of the trunk lid, at least one half of it. The apply the #3 and then your usually LSP or series of LSP's

Then inspect compared to the other half. If you see a difference and you like it then repeat to the rest of the car. No difference, hey you tried...


"You don't know what you can do until you try"



:)
 
Reviving a long dead thread. Looking to get Mikes opinion on using Meguiars #3 Machine Glaze over using #7. I have a 16 Rubbish trucks all with single stage paint cabs that I like to try and keep looking new. I have been using your #7 by hand system and its amazing, BUT my arm really hates doing it. Last 2 times I did it with a white lake country flat pad and my GG6 set on speed 2 and it seemed to work very well. I was wondering if it was better to stick with #7 or if I should/could use #3. I am not overly worried about taking to much paint of as most these trucks are 5-10 years old and worst case repaints are not out the question before I started doing this 2 of these trucks were going to be sent out for repaints anyways. Just want sure if there were big differences in the 2 other then your stated #3 being more watery. Also would be a little cheaper and easier get #3 in gallons rather than 4 small bottles of #7.
 
meguiars says the machine glaze has a cut level of one, not sure if the changed the formula since this thread? they say it has very mild abrasive

m07 is actually a zero i think
 
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