Meguiars D115 Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax dilution rates confusion

[Real Riders]

I was reading Mike Stoops post on the Meguiars Forum about using Meguiars D115 Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax as a Rinseless Wash

Mike Stoops writes --- Our recommendation for use is to dilute 4:1 and use as a waterless wash, but it's also great to pour 4 gallons of water into a bucket, then essentially pour the entire gallon of D115 into that same bucket for 5 gallons of rinseless wash solution.

Autogeek's directions for Rinseless Wash recommends this dilution rate ----

How it works
Meguiars Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax is incredibly easy to use. Simply add a couple ounces to a 5 gallon wash bucket, soak a wash mitt or microfiber towel, and wash the vehicle one section at a time. After you wash a section, dry it using a Cobra Waffle Weave Guzzler or a Meguiars Water Magnet Drying Towel.

Mike Stoops recommends pouring the whole gallon ($79.95 retail) into a 5 gallon bucket to do a Rinseless Wash. It seems to me this product should really only be used as a Waterless Wash since a Rinseless Wash is not very economical.

 

[FUNX650]

^^^That's not the whole story behind Meg's D115. ^^^
Here's what else Mr. Stoops has to say in that regards:

"Our recommendation for use is a 4:1 dilution ratio. We did this so that volume users could easily pour the gallon jug of D115 into a 5 gallon container with 4 gallons of water and be good to go. We've heard more and more feedback from early testers that D115 works equally well as a waterless wash when diluted 8:1 and used in a hand pump low pressure sprayer like those shown below:



When used this way the cost is down to about $.067/ounce compared toUltimate Wash & Wax Anywhere, which is about $.50/ounce at retail prices.

UWWA is what you should really be comparing this to, not D114 or any of the ONR products.

From a performance competitive standpoint, the polymer protection and gloss left behind with D115 is far superior to other brands on the market.

For all the requests we had for a bulk version of UWWA, this is the answer.

Now, when you consider that you could dilute this as far as 20:1 (going to be most common in high humidity areas) the cost becomes even more attractive. You will lose some gloss, however, at those extended dilutions.

As a rinseless wash, the same 8:1 to 4:1 range is going to be recommended.This is to ensure getting the maximum out of the product - by which we mean not just maximum safe cleaning but also maximum gloss and protection.

We generally don't think of a wash & wax product as being a true wax application but more just a bit of a wax boost. With D115 the protection left behind is noticeable and surprisingly durable.
It's a synthetic polymer blend, and as such we actually do not recommend that you wash with this product if you intend to follow the wash with any sort of paint correction. The polymers in D115 are slick enough, and durable enough, to impede machine polishing.

Just as you would not want to apply D156/UQW just before paint correction, neither do you want to apply D115. We've even seen an impediment to damp sanding following a fresh application of a durable polymer such as is found in the above mentioned products.

Our competitors aren't making those sort of claims for the level of protection and gloss afforded by their similar rinseless/waterless products.

For those of you who use the rinseless wash method that Garry Dean suggests, you know that with just 3 gallons of wash solution mixed in a bucket you can easily wash a dozen or more cars. Or in this case, wash and wax a dozen or more cars.

With an 8:1 dilution ratio you can do this 4 times, which is practically enough to wash and wax a single car every week for a year.

For a daily driver that you are more interested in keeping looking good and well protected (as opposed to a show car or weekend toy that you want to keep at an extremely high level) that may be almost all you need".

Michael Stoops
Internet Technical Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.
(800) 854-8073 xt 3875
[email protected]
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Bob

 

[Moldavite]

"Our recommendation for use is a 4:1 dilution ratio. We did this so that volume users could easily pour the gallon jug of D115 into a 5 gallon container with 4 gallons of water and be good to go. We've heard more and more feedback from early testers that D115 works equally well as a waterless wash when diluted 8:1

+1
D115 & D114 , both fantastic stuff :dblthumb2:

 

[Real Riders]

I understand D115 works great as waterless but what I am wondering is Meguiars recommends the whole gallon should be poured in a 5 gallon bucket to do a Rinseless Wash and Autogeek recommends 2 oz for a 5 gallon bucket. I wanting to know which is correct? It sounds like you need to add the whole gallon which makes a very expensive Rinseless Wash

 

[Setec Astronomy]

For those of you who use the rinseless wash method that Garry Dean suggests, you know that with just 3 gallons of wash solution mixed in a bucket you can easily wash a dozen or more cars. Or in this case, wash and wax a dozen or more cars.

Well, what do I know, but I thought that the "single wipe" methods don't use any less than the non-"single wipe" methods, and I don't know how I could do a rinseless on a consistent basis with a quart of solution. Maybe on a rather clean small car without doing the wheels, but a moderately dirty small car with wheels I am going to have to use 2 quarts. IMO 3 gallons is not going "easily" wash a dozen or more cars.

I'm not going to dive into the durability/cost/etc. debate.

 

[Moldavite]

I understand D115 works great as waterless but what I am wondering is Meguiars recommends the whole gallon should be poured in a 5 gallon bucket to do a Rinseless Wash and Autogeek recommends 2 oz for a 5 gallon bucket. I wanting to know which is correct? It sounds like you need to add the whole gallon which makes a very expensive Rinseless Wash

it's expensive , i only use it for waterless wash to clean very light dust/dirt.
whereas D114 i use for waterless/rinseless even panel wipe after polish at 1:20 ratio

 

[FUNX650]

I understand D115 works great as waterless but what I am wondering is Meguiars recommends the whole gallon should be poured in a 5 gallon bucket to do a Rinseless Wash and Autogeek recommends 2 oz for a 5 gallon bucket. I wanting to know which is correct? It souonds like you need to add the whole gallon which makes a very expensive Rinseless Wash

You must not have been one of the people,
that Mr. Stoops said, to have fit this description:

"For all the requests we had for a bulk version of UWWA, this is the answer".


Bob

 

[FUNX650]

Well, what do I know, but I thought that the "single wipe" methods don't use any less than the non-"single wipe" methods, and I don't know how I could do a rinseless on a consistent basis with a quart of solution. Maybe on a rather clean small car without doing the wheels, but a moderately dirty small car with wheels I am going to have to use 2 quarts. IMO 3 gallons is not going "easily" wash a dozen or more cars.

I'm not going to dive into the durability/cost/etc. debate.

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"For those of you who use the rinseless wash method that Garry Dean suggests, you know that with just 3 gallons of wash solution mixed in a bucket you can easily wash a dozen or more cars. Or in this case, wash and wax a dozen or more cars".

Michael Stoops
Internet Technical Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.
(800) 854-8073 xt 3875
[email protected]


Let's be clear from where this information is from:
Mr. Stoops...not FUNX725. Thanks.

Bob

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Let's be clear from where this information is from:
Mr. Stoops...not FUNX725. Thanks.

Sheesh Bob, no one was suggesting you were responsible.

I apparently just need training from Mr. Stoops on how to do a rinseless wash with 1/4 gallon. Maybe when you're thinking about how that quart costs 75 times as much as it does with ONRWW, you are able to moderate your usage.

But back on topic, I'd really like to put this topic to bed about what is the dilution for D115 for rinseless, because it's quite a disparity between 1:4 and a couple of ounces in a 5 gal bucket (1:320).

 

[Blade]

Wow, I don't care how good that product is but if $60+shipping makes for only a 5 gallon rinseless wash solution, I'd say that's highway robbery. I use up around 3 gal to wash a single vehicle with the rinseless method whether it be GDWM or 2BM.

 

[Rick72]

Wow, I don't care how good that product is but if $60+shipping makes for only a 5 gallon rinseless wash solution, I'd say that's highway robbery. I use up around 3 gal to wash a single vehicle with the rinseless method whether it be GDWM or 2BM.

If you or your customers were to see how great this stuff looks and feels you might change your mind. I am trying to burn through my UWW+ so I can grab a gallon of this for my winter washing routine.

 

[Blade]

$30+ per wash with wax? No thanks.

 

[runrun411]

IMO the only economical way to use D115 is to do a WW with it at a 4:1 ratio. To put the whole gallon in a bucket with 4 gallons of water is bananas. However I did see on AG's website that you can put a couple of ounces in a 5 gallon bucket. Now that would be cheap.

 

[Rick72]

I wouldn't use it as a rinse-less. Waterless only - I typically do a hybrid in the winter - rinse then waterless wash.

 

[RobRabbit2.5]

I wouldn't use it as a rinse-less. Waterless only - I typically do a hybrid in the winter - rinse then waterless wash.

Correct. I believe the confusion about the product is a fundamental misunderstanding that i had myself regarding these products.

Water-less wash requires much less product and creating 5 gallons of it from a one gallon container is extremely economical compared to other offerings.

The Rinse-less wash requires about 2 gallons of water and product to complete one wash.

I may be wrong or misunderstanding the OP but it seems the Rinseless wash properly diluted could be used for ALOT of washes.
Water-less and Rinse-less are not the same. They are similar enough that it confused me at first, but they are different.

 

[Rick72]

Correct. I believe the confusion about the product is a fundamental misunderstanding that i had myself regarding these products.

Water-less wash requires much less product and creating 5 gallons of it from a one gallon container is extremely economical compared to other offerings.

The Rinse-less wash requires about 2 gallons of water and product to complete one wash.

I may be wrong or misunderstanding the OP but it seems the Rinseless wash properly diluted could be used for ALOT of washes.
Water-less and Rinse-less are not the same. They are similar enough that it confused me at first, but they are different.

And if you did use it as a rinse less with the Gary Dean method you would be able to save what's left over for the next wash.