Menz PF2500 & SF4000 Zymol Titanium

[psynx]

So i finally got to try my new 16 oz Menz PF2500 and my titanium from Zymol. Zymol was recommended by a good freind CM8 6MT and i got a good deal on it so i ended up buying it and finally got to try it out. THANX CM8 6MT YOUR THE MAN!!!!!!!

the initially had menz PL and dodo blue velvet

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/60600-dodo-juice-blue-velvet.html

i was very happy with the look feel and durabily.

But time to try a new LSP. What's unique about this product is that Zymol recommends to apply by hand and only let to sit for about 60-90 seconds of drying time. My hand work isnt that experienced so i did have a lil bit of a hard time applying it.
Sometimes i let it set too long and it was hard as a rock and sometimes i wiped it too soon and it was smeary. But overall i loved the smell while applying it, the way it shined and the way it felt after buffing it off.

Here are the car after IPA wipedown and 2500 and 4500 polishes with a BnS White Heavy polish, and a BnS green Light polishing pad both 5.5 on my Flex 3401 (BOOOOOOOOO RUPES lol jk)

After applying Zymol Titanium

 

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

Pictures look good in the end.

Sounds a bit finicky to work with. Left on to long and it was rock hard and wiped off to soon and was smeary?

 

[ProDetail]

Very nice results rops:

Zymol is a superb product that can be a little hard to work with. The results in the end can often times be unmatched. When I use to use Zymol I would apply it by machine. It's in my opinion the only way to get it as thin as you need it to be, especially if your a novice, OR are not use to apply wax thinly by hand.

When applying it by machine, the GG3" is the best way to go and quite literally you have to go 2 ft by 2 ft sections and you can wipe it off as soon as you finish that panel. I honestly recommend applying a sealant before using Zymol so that you can maximize the life of the protection do the fact that I find Zymol to only last about a month, but with a sealant I can get it to 6 months.

 

[psynx]

Pictures look good in the end.

Sounds a bit finicky to work with. Left on to long and it was rock hard and wiped off to soon and was smeary?

yea it is, after a couple of panels it started getting the hang of it. but overall i like the results and wasnt that bad to work with

Very nice results rops:

Zymol is a superb product that can be a little hard to work with. The results in the end can often times be unmatched. When I use to use Zymol I would apply it by machine. It's in my opinion the only way to get it as thin as you need it to be, especially if your a novice, OR are not use to apply wax thinly by hand.

When applying it by machine, the GG3" is the best way to go and quite literally you have to go 2 ft by 2 ft sections and you can wipe it off as soon as you finish that panel. I honestly recommend applying a sealant before using Zymol so that you can maximize the life of the protection do the fact that I find Zymol to only last about a month, but with a sealant I can get it to 6 months.

i do have a GG 3 DA, again after a couple panels i was applying it really thin and i was able to get more coverage per application. and i literally had to sit there and look at my phone for a bit and wipe it off. so it got more pleasant as it went on.
also the reason i got titanium was because i thought it was known for its durability? i usually do put WGDGPS or Menz PL before, but i didnt have time to let cure for couple hours then apply Zymol

 

[CM8 6MT]

I find Zymol to only last about a month, but with a sealant I can get it to 6 months.

I disagree, Zymöl Titanium's durability generally averages 6-8 weeks. Your talking about a wax that uses 51% Brazilian Carnuba. 80% Yellow carnuba, 20% white.

Maybe their entry level lines like Carbon or Japon might have a 4 week durability, dont quote me on it.

Zymöl Concours on the other hand would put you at an average of 3 months durability.

 

[addysdaddy]

It's probably my advancing years but why select a LSP that is so difficult to work with when there are tons are other great products out there so simple to apply & remove? (hey I'm a huge fan of BFCS and you don't even need to remove that one) I've experimented with many different LSPs and frankly I would challenge you to a "blind taste test" to pick out the Zymol panel vs one of the other top tiers LSPs. BTW, love the PF2500 & SF4000 combo - also have the FG400 on the shelf. As always, YMMV but by the time I'm ready to apply the LSP, easy and quick are priorities for me.

 

[FUNX650]

I disagree, Zymöl Titanium's durability generally averages 6-8 weeks

Just curious...
-This 6-8 weeks conclusion: Is it based solely on your surmising?
-Or...What were your testing-protocols?

Also:
Isn't this time period indicative of the life-span of the majority
of carnuba -waxes...regardless of their price-points?

Your talking about a wax that uses 51% Brazilian Carnuba. 80% Yellow carnuba, 20% white.

In regards to carnuba %'s...
I appreciate the following statement from: DODO Juice's Dom.

And I quote:

"Now, before anyone asks, I have no idea how other manufacturers arrive at their results,
and what they put on their labels is up to them.

However, what I do believe, is that consumers tend to make quick and rash assumptions
when presented with figures, unless they are adequately qualified.

With all of this variation around, and possible inconsistency,
it would be nice if there was:

1) some form of industry standard for measuring carnauba;

2) adequate explanation of the measurement technique from those who make statements
about carnauba content in percentage terms; and,

3) some form of independent testing.

All of the above does exist, (for example), in the food industry…"




Bob

 

[psynx]

It's probably my advancing years but why select a LSP that is so difficult to work with when there are tons are other great products out there so simple to apply & remove? (hey I'm a huge fan of BFCS and you don't even need to remove that one) I've experimented with many different LSPs and frankly I would challenge you to a "blind taste test" to pick out the Zymol panel vs one of the other top tiers LSPs. BTW, love the PF2500 & SF4000 combo - also have the FG400 on the shelf. As always, YMMV but by the time I'm ready to apply the LSP, easy and quick are priorities for me.

I have fg 400 as well but the car is 2013 and didn't require correction. Just a nice polish.
I have tons of lsp and I was just trying it out just to experiment. It was for the gf car, but I do agree about efficiency and time

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[CM8 6MT]

It's probably my advancing years but why select a LSP that is so difficult to work with when there are tons are other great products out there so simple to apply & remove? (hey I'm a huge fan of BFCS and you don't even need to remove that one) I've experimented with many different LSPs and frankly I would challenge you to a "blind taste test" to pick out the Zymol panel vs one of the other top tiers LSPs. BTW, love the PF2500 & SF4000 combo - also have the FG400 on the shelf. As always, YMMV but by the time I'm ready to apply the LSP, easy and quick are priorities for me.

I agree, and I'll challenge ANYONE on a "blind taste test" on any wax/sealant you have against M26, and unless your a Concours Judge, you wouldnt be able to tell them apart.

From the shows I've attended like Pebble Beach, the majority of winners are using Meguiar's polishes, & Zymöl LSP's. These boys dont mess around when it comes to serious competitions like these.

I agree that easy on, easy off appeal to the general population of enthusiasts & detailers alike. However, for those who desire the absolute best gloss that a paint can achieve after extensive polishing & jeweling, for TRUE show car purposes, you need a Carnuba wax that can deliver.

For that kind of achievement, some people are willing to go the extra mile even if it takes a few more dollars & time to do so.

 

[vegas911gts]

I can tell that it got really glossy, but you need to use a better camera to show off the hard work you did. I'll probably go with the 2500 and 4000 combo for my twice a year polishing job on my car.

 

[psynx]

I can tell that it got really glossy, but you need to use a better camera to show off the hard work you did. I'll probably go with the 2500 and 4000 combo for my twice a year polishing job on my car.

You dont like my note 2 quality? :'(