Menzerna 3800 vs Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion vs Pinnacle Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish

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Hi,

I have a new black car, and I am going to do Black Label Diamond sealant followed by Souveran wax. How does Menzerna 3800 vs Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion vs Black Label Cleansing Polish compare?

I heard that Menzerna gives the most amazing gloss, but do I need the Pinnacle lotion or Black Label Polish if I use Menzerna?

Thank you!

Henry
 
Hi Henry,

Are you going through a full new vehicle prep and then applying the LSP or have already done so and wanting to add PBL to a surface already in great shape?

Please provide feedback
 
Hi Mike,

It's a brand new car, untouched by dealer. About to wash it for first time, ironx it, clay it, polish, seal, wax it.

I know to apply PBL sealant, I need to clean the surface, so I have the cleansing polish. But I noticed Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion and Menzerna 3800 remove imperfections (which I will certainly have after claying).

I'm open to guidance and change of direction completely. Just my research led me to wonder on if I need Menzerna, Pinnacle Lotion, and PBL Cleansing, and if so in what order?

Also, want to know how to proceed after vehicle isn't brand new down the line.

Thank you!
 
Henry,

Being that it is a new car and in need of a new car prep you won't need the PBL cleansing lotion. You will be effectively polishing the surface as well as cleaning it during the polishing step. After this you can apply the PBL Sealant.

The cleansing lotion is used when the surface is in great shape and you need to remove a previous LSP before application of a new sealant.

Wash, Iron-X, Clay, Polish, & seal with PBL.
 
Thank you for all the advice! How is Manzerna 3800 used? Use it before or after PBL cleansing lotion. Or instead of?

Thanks again!
 
Menzerna 3800 is an ultra fine polish.

Your better served using 3500 as your polish and then applying the PBL Sealant. 3500 has a bit more polishing ability in it than 3800 while finishing up LSP ready. 3800 has less polishing ability than 3500.

You wont need the cleansing lotion after polishing with either Menzerna product. You can go straight to applying the PBL Sealant after wipeoff of the polish.
 
Mike@DedicatedPerfection said:
You wont need the cleansing lotion after polishing with either Menzerna product. You can go straight to applying the PBL Sealant after wipeoff of the polish.
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Whoa.... really? .... is that same with FG400 and etc other polishes by menzerna?

I been going through whole car with McKeey's coating prep before LSP this whole time D: D: D:
 
Let me offer what i like to do.

I use Menzerna products a LOT and always use Car Pro Eraser for a final wipe down before applying an LSP. May just be me but i like to insure i have removed anything left behind on the paint. I use a perfectly clean MF towel and GENTLY wipe the entire vehicle with Eraser...takes me maybe 10-15 mins and gives me just that extra peace of mind the paint is relatively free of any residual compounds, polishes etc. I may have missed before laying down whatever LSP i'm using last. I do not go around the vehicle with a machine and a "paint cleaner" after Menzerna. In my mind it's unecessary.

I will also add that i almost always use either 3800 or 3500 after i've rough cut with FG400. I say almost always because i have used 400 alone and gone straight to LSP on rare occassions. My Eraser effort is only done just prior to LSP i.e. after my second step is done (400/3500, 3800) or after my single step with 400. Again, it takes almost no time at all to quickly wipe down before LSP.
 
choijw2 said:
Whoa.... really? .... is that same with FG400 and etc other polishes by menzerna?

I been going through whole car with McKeey's coating prep before LSP this whole time D: D: D:
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I think what the poster and some may be missing is the fact he's applying the Black Label Synergy Sealant and not the paint coating. When applying sealants, I've always gone from the polish straight to the LSP with no ill effects.
 
crazyhank said:
Hi,

I have a new black car, and I am going to do Black Label Diamond sealant followed by Souveran wax. How does Menzerna 3800 vs Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion vs Black Label Cleansing Polish compare?

I heard that Menzerna gives the most amazing gloss, but do I need the Pinnacle lotion or Black Label Polish if I use Menzerna?

Thank you!

Henry
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To a degree you are not making an apples-to-apples comparison relative to the answer you are looking for... when you combine cleansing polishes with pure finishing polishes like Menzerna SF3x00.

1. Pinnacle Black Label cleansing lotion is used as the final prep before a coating or LSP. Also, can be used as a one-step maintenance if the paint is already in very good condition.
2. Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion is similar to Black Label, but it has fillers and would hamper a coating. If you are using BFWD you should be fine with the fillers and this product. I didn't notice anything negative when I used this combo.
3. Menzerna SF3x00 polishes are pure.... they simply polish and enhance gloss. They have no fillers in them and what you get is a good experience with this product line. In theory, you could polish with Menzerna and then final prep with either Pinnacle product before you apply the sealant. How much to exclude or combine is up to you but given that it is a new car Menzerna SF3x00 may be all you need

Cleansing polishes, lotions, pre-wax cleaners, etc... are typically maintenance products you use when you are simply looking for more cleaning than polishing. I typically apply pre-wax cleaners using a MF sponge and they do very well in terms of picking up embedded dirt - amazing actually!!!

If you are looking for (or anticipate) some swirl removal, then Menzerna SF3x00 will perform much better and the cleaners.

Regards,

Mark
 
choijw2 said:
Whoa.... really? .... is that same with FG400 and etc other polishes by menzerna?

I been going through whole car with McKeey's coating prep before LSP this whole time D: D: D:
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As mentioned by Desertnate, we are discussing the paint sealant and not the paint coating.

Desertnate said:
I think what the poster and some may be missing is the fact he's applying the Black Label Synergy Sealant and not the paint coating. When applying sealants, I've always gone from the polish straight to the LSP with no ill effects.
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choijw2 said:
I understand we are talking about sealant.
But my understanding was, you always have to remove polishing oil before apply wax/ sealant.
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I'm not sure if you have to remove the polishing oils, but I always do especially if I'm using Menzerna compounds/polishes because they are so oily. But, like a previous poster, I use Carpo Eraser and give the car a good wipedown. I figure I'm always better served to get the paint as clean as possible before applying an LSP in order for proper bonding.
 
If menzerna polishes are body shop safe. Don't you think they leave the surface clean enough to go straight to the LSP? If you aren't coating the vehicle, I see no reason to add a step of a chemical wipe down.
 
Oh well, this is very good news to me haha

Always learning something new lol
 
Jomax said:
If menzerna polishes are body shop safe. Don't you think they leave the surface clean enough to go straight to the LSP?
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This.

I do work in a body shop environment and can tell you first hand that the products designated body shop safe from Menzerna are indeed body shop safe.
 
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