Menzerna 85RD vs Zaino AIO

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After my paint correction with Meg 105/205, I was going to use Zaino AIO followed by Z2 Pro and Z8.

If I use Menzerna 85RD as a finishing polish, do I still need to use ZAIO as a base for Z2? Or will the 85RD finish well enough to be LSP ready? Thanks in advanced.
 
You will still need to use ZAIO if you choose to use PO85rd. PO85rd will leave the paint lsp ready for a wax but not for a sealant. For sealants the most important layer is the base and it must be clean of all oils and residue.
 
jbnery6465 said:
After my paint correction with Meg 105/205, I was going to use Zaino AIO followed by Z2 Pro and Z8.

If I use Menzerna 85RD as a finishing polish, do I still need to use ZAIO as a base for Z2? Or will the 85RD finish well enough to be LSP ready? Thanks in advanced.
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PO85RD should finish down very well and ZAIO is not necessary IMO. I'd just do an IPA wipe down and then go right to Z2. Either will be fine though.
 
I dont really see IPA wipes all that effective compared to a paint cleaner like ZAIO, DG501, KAIO..etc. I see IPA wipedowns more of a topical clean and prefer something that cleans the paint at a microscopic level when using a sealant. I have seen dirt still being pulled out of paint even after a polishing session.

Again, this is only my view for sealants.
 
Lasthope05 said:
I dont really see IPA wipes all that effective compared to a paint cleaner like ZAIO, DG501, KAIO..etc. I see IPA wipedowns more of a topical clean and prefer something that cleans the paint at a microscopic level when using a sealant. I have seen dirt still being pulled out of paint even after a polishing session.

Again, this is only my view for sealants.
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I agree with Rasky...after polishing do a complete wash to rid any polishing dust and then do an IPA wipe down. I've never had a bonding issue using this method applying a sealant. You can however use a paint cleaner if wanted.
 
Rsurfer said:
I agree with Rasky...after polishing do a complete wash to rid any polishing dust and then do an IPA wipe down. I've never had a bonding issue using this method applying a sealant. You can however use a paint cleaner if wanted.
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Is the IPA wipe down necessary to make the paint sealant bond better or is that just to better view the results of polishing?
 
mcpp66 said:
Is the IPA wipe down necessary to make the paint sealant bond better or is that just to better view the results of polishing?
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It really does both. I alway's do an IPA or prep sol wipe down after polishing to be sure that the polish did not fill any swrils or marring. It will also give you a clean surface for your sealant or wax. I'm sure paint cleaners have solvents that will do the same thing. I do however notice that when using a paint cleaner the surface has more gloss than without it.
 
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dont see the need for ZAIO after polishing, just move to the sealant of your choice. ZAIO is similar in design to Pinnacle XMT360 as best used when you need that type of product.
 
I understood IPA was to clean the surface before and after polishing to ensure no residue from the polish was left behind (and of course to view the results). The surface is just clean paint/clear coat. And an AIO was more of a chemical product which would use polymers to help the sealant bond to the paint better to ensure protection/durability etc vs "just clean paint and sealant". I might end up getting the ZAIO anyways since I'll have cars where I may not finish with 85RD.

So say I go with the 85RD and ZAIO route, for a brand new factory delivered car, would I use 85RD with an LC White pad and the ZAIO with an LC Gray pad? I'm going to make sure the dealership doesn't prep the car upon delivery, I want to see it wrapped still :)

Thanks for all the replies, they were all helpful!
 
Rsurfer said:
It really does both. I alway's do an IPA or prep sol wipe down after polishing to be sure that the polish did not fill any swrils or marring. It will also give you a clean surface for your sealant or wax. I'm sure paint cleaners have solvents that will do the same thing. I do however notice that when using a paint cleaner the surface has more gloss than without it.
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So does the IPA come after the polish and before the car wash or after both the polish and car wash?
 
If you are using a rotary, sure, jewel it down with 85rd if you want, if you are using dual action, I would just go to ZAIO.
 
mcpp66 said:
So does the IPA come after the polish and before the car wash or after both the polish and car wash?
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I normally do an IPA wipe down right after polishing to inspect for marring. Then I do a complete wash to rid the nooks and crannies of polishing dust.
 
Bradshaw said:
If you are using a rotary, sure, jewel it down with 85rd if you want, if you are using dual action, I would just go to ZAIO.
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Do you feel that you cannot jewel with a DA using 85rd?
 
Rsurfer said:
Do you feel that you cannot jewel with a DA using 85rd?
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I think to get the most out of 85rd, the rotary jewels the best. Having said that, you can still polish with 85 using the dual action, I just think the rotary gives you that extra 2% of gloss, clarity and reflection.
 
Bradshaw said:
I think to get the most out of 85rd, the rotary jewels the best. Having said that, you can still polish with 85 using the dual action, I just think the rotary gives you that extra 2% of gloss, clarity and reflection.
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Not trying to be a smart ass, but 2% would be pretty hard to see. There are probably 10 X's more DA users than they are rotary users, therefore, 85rd as a finishing polish for those would be great. Now if you were talking about Ultrafina, then yes, a rotary would be best.
 
There was a great article posted by Dave KG on either Autopia or Detailing World a while back about finishing with a rotary vs. finishing with a PC7424. I searched for it and couldn't find it, but the end result was that the heat and power of the rotary breaks down the diminishing abrasives better resulting in a more refined finish.

This being said DA's are much more powerful now so clearly the gap between a rotary and a DA has shrunk. I think most will agree that a rotary can finish better than a DA but how much better is certainly open to debate.

IMO PO85RD is one of the finest (if not the finest) finishing polish available. Following PO85RD with anything other than a glaze or an LSP IMO would degrade the finish.
 
MikeyC said:
IMO PO85RD is one of the finest (if not the finest) finishing polish available. Following PO85RD with anything other than a glaze or an LSP IMO would degrade the finish.
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So let's say I have a brand new White Audi directly from the factory. I've told the dealer not to prep it. Assuming it has very little swirls since its been wrapped and I want to use the 85RD to remove the minor stuff and to give a nice final polish before LSP, which LC pad would I use on my PC? White, Gray?
 
The general rule of thumb is to start least aggressive and work your way up as necessary. The gray pad has no cut so I don't know if it would correct even the lightest of marring or swirls. But, I don't see what it would hurt to start off with the gray pad and then move to white if the gray doesn't cut it. The only thing you'll lose if the gray doesn't do anything is a little bit of polish and time. Hopefully someone with a little more experience and know-how will chime in and give us a better answer.
 
jbnery6465 said:
So let's say I have a brand new White Audi directly from the factory. I've told the dealer not to prep it. Assuming it has very little swirls since its been wrapped and I want to use the 85RD to remove the minor stuff and to give a nice final polish before LSP, which LC pad would I use on my PC? White, Gray?
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First of all be sure to clay the paint. I know it's new, but contaminates will still get into the clear coat as only part of the car is wrapped. Best thing to do is get a zip lock bag and test for grit. As far as type of pad, least aggressive first. Congrats on your new ride.
 
Rsurfer said:
First of all be sure to clay the paint. I know it's new, but contaminates will still get into the clear coat as only part of the car is wrapped. Best thing to do is get a zip lock bag and test for grit. As far as type of pad, least aggressive first. Congrats on your new ride.
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Oh for sure, I plan on doing a complete wash/decontamination followed by a full clay job on the entire car. I'll probably do some 50/50 shots as well as compare the 85RD alone vs 85RD followed by ZAIO.

Thanks
 
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