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Looking to build my arsenal and be versatile. I do this as a hobby and for fun with friends and some friends have paint that's in ruff shape and some that have newish cars. Right now I have power gloss and power finish as well as 4500. Is pf400 correct that much better than pg1000?
If its worth it ill pick up the 400 and 2500 just to have an almost full set but It has to be justifiable...
I use hydro tech pads and 7424 pc.

Thanks for the input you might have on a push in the right direction
 
I would say they both correct and cut at the same rate. Although FG400 finishes out a lot better than PG1000.

The best way I can describe it is, PG1000 + PF2500 = FG400

In all except for one of my cases, FG400 finishes out LSP ready. So if you have a three step correction plan:

PG1000 - cyan
PF2500 - orange
SF4500 - red

It will change to

FG400 - cyan/orange (which ever you need more)
SF4500 - red

Hope this helps!
 
Andr3wilson said:
I would say they both correct and cut at the same rate. Although FG400 finishes out a lot better than PG1000.

The best way I can describe it is, PG1000 + PF2500 = FG400

In all except for one of my cases, FG400 finishes out LSP ready. So if you have a three step correction plan:

PG1000 - cyan
PF2500 - orange
SF4500 - red

It will change to

FG400 - cyan/orange (which ever you need more)
SF4500 - red

Hope this helps!
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Thanks for all the good advise i just pulled the trigger on FG400 and my biggest reason was going off of yalls reviews and the menzerna site... i think my three step will go as follows

FG400 on a cyan/orange as needed... giving a 9 cut and 7 gloss
PF2500 on orange giving 7cut 8gloss
SF4500 on red giving 2 cut 10 gloss

I based the cut gloss off of the charts found on the menzerna site it self.. Automotive paints  |  menzerna polishing compounds
 
For got to add FG400 works good with micro fiber pads I use as a one step with good results.
 
From what I have read about FG400...it's LSP ready in many or most cases. I have not used it but plan to get some and I'm thinking the FG2500 step is not really necessary. Try a test spot and find the best pad that gets the results your looking for with the FG400 and if needed follow it with FG4000 or FG4500. Hope others here can chime in as I will be using this FG400 product soon myself and want to know if the FG2500 step would be necessary. Feed back please
 
Sorry that's what I was getting at
400 will remove most likely everything and it should yield higher gloss than 1000
As a backup/extra hit needed spots with 2500
And finish out everything with 4500 for the highest gloss possible.
 
Last two cars I used MF pads 400 followed up with 4500 and came out great.
 
On the menzerna site they have a gloss value of 4? For pg1000 and a gloss value of 7? For 400... 400 is more aggressive than 1000 but to me the fact that 400 seems like the best 1 step or possibly 2 step if followed by 4000 or 4500... Adding up the abrasiveness of 1000+2500 and then 4000 or 4500 wouldn't you end up taking more clear off by starting to correct with 1000... 25000 and then a 4000 or 4500 than just going with 400 and then straight to 4-4500? I know there are so many variables with paint and there isn't a straight forward answer because there are so many other factors but if there is enough swirling/scratches to go with 1000 wouldn't you be better off starting with 400? I wanted to bring this back to life to shine a little more light on a question I asked else ware and never quite got a Chrystal clear answer on...
Thanks everyone in advance
 
woah woah woah, hang on a sec here! I actually just read all the posts.

If you FG400, go straight to SF4500

There is no need to make a 2 step into a 3 step. Remember to go the least aggressive route!

Even if you used PG1000, there is no need for PF2500. I merely put that there for spot treatment on deeper swirls that weren't pulled out in the Compounding steps. Go straight on to 4000 or 4500.
 
Andr3wilson said:
Think of FG400 (only a few months old now) as a replacement for PG1000 (PG1000 is fairly old now).

FG400 has the same cut of PG1000, but finishes out like PF2500. Now finishing out does not mean the paint is free of defects (PG1000 on an orange pad will end up being clear and swirl free), it refers to the gloss value of the paint (how well it reflects light).

PG1000 does not give the same Gloss Value as FG400. Thats why FG400 is great at one step processes.

If you have heavy swirls, sanding marks, and rids, FG400 on an orange pad is your best bet

For medium to light swirls, use PF2500 on a white or orange depending on what is needed.

Finally for finishing out the paint I would recommend using SF4500 on a gold or red pad. This is a nano polish and gives a higher gloss reading than FG400 or PF2500 and really it shaves nothing off of the clear coat

Personally I have obliterated PG1000 from my arsenal because FG400 is a much better polish.
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Andrew shot me this in a pm and this cleared up a lot for me and I know after a good deal of the reading around I have done this is a pretty good paragraph answer to a lot of other menzerna questions that have been bouncing around.


Monday ill be taking lots of pictures taking lots of notes and putting as much feed back as I can into a thread on a black CTS that hasent been cleaned with a scotch bright pad but not too far from...

Notes of what hydrotech pads, what product etc to follow!
 
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