Menzerna Top finish machine glaze

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Let me start off by stating that I own a 2012 BLACK toyota rav4 with very soft/finiky paint

I tried in the past optimum hyper polish, and megs 205 with horible micro marring, was never able to finish out nicely. Tried Sonax perfect finish, and results where great with 2 slow passes.

so after a winter of snow, slush, salt, sand and bucket washes, I was due to repolish my paint. decided to give autobalm a try, was expecting better results. Then saw that Menz had a new glaze, supposed to be compatible with Powerlock, so I order a bottle. So today I try it out with a brand new grey pad, 2 slow passes, and the micro marring was worst than what I got with 205 and hyper polish! tried with a white pad, same thing!

This product is supposed to have very light abrasives, but for my ultra soft paint, it acts like sand in a bottle!
 
Toyota's do have very soft therefore what I would do is a test spot first with either green or black pad also consider lowering your speed setting too if that don't help then try polishing the marring out by hand
 
This is a Menzerna product that I have yet to use.

After using a few of their other polishes and knowing they like to be worked longer, makes me think that you short cycled its buffing cycle. After all their it is a DAT product and it's needs time for the abrasives to break down unlike its SMAT counterparts.

Try another test spot with the grey pad but go for 3-4 passes and see where that gets you. Also what does it say on the bottle for rotary speed?
 
octane said:
•I tried in the past optimum hyper polish, and megs 205
-with horible micro marring,
-was never able to finish out nicely.

•Tried Sonax perfect finish,
-and results where great with 2 slow passes.

•so after a winter I was due to repolish my paint.
-decided to give autobalm a try, was expecting better results.

•Then saw that Menz had a new glaze,
-So today I try it out with a brand new grey pad,
-2 slow passes, and the micro marring was worst than
what I got with 205 and hyper polish!
-tried with a white pad, same thing!

This product is supposed to have very light abrasives,
but for my ultra soft paint, it acts like sand in a bottle!
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I'd say:
Time to go back to the product that had great results!!

Bob
 
smack said:
This is a Menzerna product that I have yet to use.

After using a few of their other polishes and knowing they like to be worked longer, makes me think that you short cycled its buffing cycle. After all their it is a DAT product and it's needs time for the abrasives to break down unlike its SMAT counterparts.

Try another test spot with the grey pad but go for 3-4 passes and see where that gets you. Also what does it say on the bottle for rotary speed?
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I used a couple of menz polishes on my car in the past, even with the same technic they didn't act like that at all, ip2500 followed with sf4500 actually gave good results.

as for the polisher speed, there is no mention of that on the bottle. guess I'll try another test spot ;-)
 
octane said:
Let me start off by stating that I own a 2012 BLACK toyota rav4 with very soft/finiky paint

I tried in the past optimum hyper polish, and megs 205 with horible micro marring, was never able to finish out nicely. Tried Sonax perfect finish, and results where great with 2 slow passes.

so after a winter of snow, slush, salt, sand and bucket washes, I was due to repolish my paint. decided to give autobalm a try, was expecting better results. Then saw that Menz had a new glaze, supposed to be compatible with Powerlock, so I order a bottle. So today I try it out with a brand new grey pad, 2 slow passes, and the micro marring was worst than what I got with 205 and hyper polish! tried with a white pad, same thing!

This product is supposed to have very light abrasives, but for my ultra soft paint, it acts like sand in a bottle!
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First some preliminaries....

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1. Are you following standard process steps prior to polishing (i.e. - claying)?
2. What DA speed are you using when you say "slow passes"?

Assuming no surprises with the above questions you certainly know what works and what doesn't work at this point. If it works, DO IT AGAIN! :)

If you are looking for a "plan B" or simply understand what went wrong with 205 and Hyper-polish then the white pad may be a large contributing factor to your micro-marring. To combat this cause, consider bumping down to a green AIO pad and adjust speed accordingly. For the Menz scenario consider whether or not you properly broke-down the diminishing abrasives. Here, I would start with a high-speed and after a couple of section passes lower the speed to refine the finish.
 
mwoolfso said:
First some preliminaries....

:Picture:

1. Are you following standard process steps prior to polishing (i.e. - claying)?
2. What DA speed are you using when you say "slow passes"?

Assuming no surprises with the above questions you certainly know what works and what doesn't work at this point. If it works, DO IT AGAIN! :)

If you are looking for a "plan B" or simply understand what went wrong with 205 and Hyper-polish then the white pad may be a large contributing factor to your micro-marring. To combat this cause, consider bumping down to a green AIO pad and adjust speed accordingly. For the Menz scenario consider whether or not you properly broke-down the diminishing abrasives. Here, I would start with a high-speed and after a couple of section passes lower the speed to refine the finish.
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car was clayed 2 weeks ago, nothing on the surface per baggie test, I was using a Flex DA on speed 3-4, I tried first using a grey pad, then the white pad.

what I don't get is this stuff is supposed to have abrasives comparable to SF4500, so not breaking down the abrasives should not really be an issue like it would for FG400 or PG1000, since the abrasives are already ultra fine!? right???
 
I have a bottle, but I have yet to try it.

My experience with they soft paint on my '12 Rav4 (Silver Metallic) and my wife's '09 Rav4 (Magnetic Grey Metallic) is that Menzerna SF4000 is just about all I ever need. Most times I apply it with a LC Grey Pad on the Flex 3401 at 4-5 and it takes just about every tiny blemish out. If I need more cut, I'll throw on a LC White.

If 4000 on a white isn't enough (which is extremely light to begin with), a couple of quick passes of FG400 on a white is quick and effective and then finished up with 4000.

I really can't say enough about how well they come out using just 4000 and a grey or white LC pad on the Flex.
 
Even though the abrasives are pretty fine at that grade, they probably still need to be broken down completely. I have a black CRV with really finicky paint and had the same problem with pf2500. It would leave swirl marks if I didn't finish down all the way...and I could never really get it right with ccs pads because the pockets would hold polish that would reintroduce throughout the cycle and those would never fully break down. Sounds like you are using flat pads at least, so I would try 4 section passes and then 6 section passes. If it is still marring, then you might go with Bob's suggestion and "stick with what's working"
 
Menzerna USA products are just Autogeek products. Don't know if they are unique or jus another relabeled bottle. I have exchanged several mails with Menzerna Germany and they wouldn't come out and say it but even they don't hold these products highly. Powerlock, Colorlock etc.

Menzerna made in Germany is the real deal. They have a new AIO that I have ordered, it's getting some rave reviews in UK. Good correction and good amount of protection it seems.
 
Seems like every vehicle's paint is affected differently,
by different abrasive products...even from within
the same brand!

As I mentioned earlier:
Time to go back to what actually works.

"That way there's: Less hassle; Fuss & Cuss". ~Gus

Bob
 
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