Mixing polish with sealant?

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I was told tonight while buffing a Lincoln towncar that I could save time and mix my sealant with my polish. I'm using Menzerna products( super intensive and power lock). This doesn't sound right at all, but I don't know everything and I'm always willing to learn. if anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
T.Kraus

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I never mix polish and sealant ever to different steps. The do make an all in one polish and wax. But I only use on old paint. Auto Finesse Tripple - All in One - Polish, Glaze, and Wax
Todd
 
Doesn't make sense to me - I'd think that you'd end up with a product that doesn't cut as well as the polish would by itself, nor protect as long as the sealant would by itself. The two products would be working at cross-purposes - you'd have the sealant "dulling" and diluting the abrasives in the polish, and you'd have the polish abrading and removing sealant polymers from the paint surface. You might save some time, but maybe not even then, since you'd essentially be working with a less aggressive product, and therefore might need more time for polishing.
 
The reality is that a great many products ARE mixes of polish and sealant. In the industry, many of the starting formulations from the raw material suppliers will be exactly this, only they are referred to using terms like 'durable polish'. It is a very common practice to do this, perhaps less common to be totally up-front about it!

However (there is always a but!), I would not recommend someone to do it at home with off the shelf products. It is possibly that you save yourself time but it is more likely that you waste product, compromise performance and end up with a sub-standard finish.
 
Is your friend a chemist?


You're trying to create a product already exists, it's called a cleaner/wax or cleaner/sealant. If you want to do a one-step to a car then in the future purchase a dedicated one-step cleaner/wax also called an AIO or All-In-One.

When I used to call on body shops and detail shops I met guys all the time that mixed their own secret sauce and to be honest, if the products are good you'll end up with something that makes the paint shiny and leaves behind some level of protection. If that works for you go for it but I'm positive chemistry in blending products to create true, dedicated products is more complicated than mixing products on you're own.

But again, taking a medium to light polish and mixing it with some kind of liquid sealant or wax will give you a product that will clean, polish and protect.


:)
 
What your referring to is an all-in-one product.

These are examples of factory all-in-one products....

  • Meguiar's D151
  • Duragloss #501
  • BlackFire Total Seal & Polish
  • Optimum GPS
  • Menzerna APO
 
Thanks everyone, I kinda had a feeling that it was wrong. But this guy was really convinced that it works. I tried to explain to him that products like this already exist eg. AIO. But I guess you can't convince everybody. I thought I would just ask. I was polishing the car when he came up to me, I think he was the owners friend. And I felt like he was trying to give me a lesson lol. I'm always up for learning but it seems like you always run into experts on everything from time to time.

Thanks
T.Kraus

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Every now and then...
I'll mix/blend up a 50/50 batch of a pure-polish (no abrasives): M#7,
and a hybrid-wax (natural and synthetic): M#26...

-Although these two Meg's products may be considered different than a mix/blend of a polish
containing some level/type of abrasive technology,...and a true synthetic sealant:

Is my Meg's-mixing a recognized/"chemically-approved" process? (I doubt it!!)

Nonetheless...
Not only does the results of doing so satisfy my expectations...
It also saves me a trip around, (and up and down), a vehicle.

:)

Bob
 
I really don't understand how an all in one would work due to the painted surfaces should be clean of any oils left over or any contaminates so that the lsp will adhere
 
Wes Bremec said:
I really don't understand how an all in one would work due to the painted surfaces should be clean of any oils left over or any contaminates so that the lsp will adhere
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This is much less important when dealing with wax/sealant as compared to when using a permanent coating.
 
I am a bit confused. Maybe you guys can explain this better to me.

I was under the impression that a cleaner wax applied by DA would remove some of the swirls and scratches but mostly fill them up so that the paint would shine more. A bit like a glaze with wax in it.

After reading D151's description, if sounds more like a heavy polish midway from a polish to a rubbing compound with sealant in it. So if there is no filling action and you must work out the scratches and swirls using several passes and several pads... where do you actually save time?

Should I just use a cleaner wax or am I missing something and D151 is a better product for a one step paint improvement?
 
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