Most Durable Cars

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I know a lot of people get sucked into believing JD power, however most of their data is on very short term ownership, to me pretty much irrelevant as still under warranty. Past 10 years/100k is my gold mine. Iseecars published their recent data for the chance of cars surviving up to 250k, good article:


Top 10 iSeeCars Longest-Lasting Car Brands 2025*
RankBrand% Chance of Lasting 250,000+ MilesCompared to Average
1Toyota17.8%3.7x
2Lexus12.8%2.7x
3Honda10.8%2.3x
4Acura7.2%1.5x
Overall Average*4.8%
5GMC4.6%1.0x
6Tesla4.6%1.0x
7Chevrolet4.5%0.9x
8Cadillac4.5%0.9x
9Mazda3.6%0.7x
10Ram3.5%0.7x
 
Lol, all the 'top' cars to reach big have already been built. All the manufacturers today are equal in the same boat, building junk. I know some will disagree with me, but it's not just cars, it's everything. Built to break. Yes it all looks amazing, but basically lipstick on a... well not a pig, lets say...a garbage can. For vehicles today all the electronics and the lack of replacement parts, well I don't think I've ever seen a time where so many vehicles are parked. And for things like screens that went dark (everything is on those screens now), sensors, motors, transmissions, etc. And now we have transmissions with no dipstick, motors now with no dipstick, sensor for everything, more and more plastics 'in' the engines. Even the mechanics working on these at the dealerships hate working on the new stuff.
Older cars, while basic to today, just ran. Something broke, well go down to any parts store (or wreaking yard) and change it out, done. Every vehicle is good and bad. A report says a certain car is tops, well that can be said of any car. Eg, old Consumers Reports always had their big lists. Well I knew many people over the years with types of cars that were rated bottom but people drove the wheels off the things to 400,000+miles and still couldn't kill them. I've heard of others owning cars that were top of the lists and the cars were lemons. In the end they are all machines put togeather.
Brands are the same. Toyota was the name that meant reliable. I wouldm't touch a Tundra today after the issues they had. GM's fiasco with their 6.2's leaves a bad taste. Again, all machines built, but the difference is today it's so complex and the prices have skyrocketed. Up to a few years ago one could drive their car for almost as long as they chose, with factors against them and their decisions being how many possible repairs, possible rust eating away at the body. Today it teeters on when warranty is done if it breaks just how much your willing to spend and often shown the hallway leading to the new car showroom instead.
It's funny, so many people from so many different walks in life are all saying the same, heck even people working at car dealerships. You hear so many more people talking about how they want to go buy an older in good shape vehicle, anything pre 2009ish, because they want reliable, cheap wheels. And if it breaks, it'll be easier to work on and fix.

Not hijacking off topic your thread, just my personal opinion. I see new vehicle data, I just say pick your fav, they are all about in the same boat anyway.
 
Last one didn't make it due to being rear-ended and totaled. Current one hit 190 today.
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I wonder if you created a list of retained values, if it would be pretty much in the same order.

I think something that plays a part in longevity is manufacturer parts support. My Toyota is now 15 years old and a small plastic trim piece broke, Toyota still have it available for under $40, I fixed it with some cable ties though. To compare one of my Holdens had a transmission hose crack, the vehicle was just less than 10 years old, and the part was no longer available, they had to get a hydraulic hose specialist to make one custom. Luckily it was still under a used car warranty so they paid to do that. I generally found the after sales service was good, that's why I kept buying them despite their only average reliability.
 
Big Dave, you are definitely right, parts support is definitely a component. Mercedes doesn't even make key fobs for some older models. You lose your keys and it's junk yard time. They also marry some parts to a car so you can't use parts from a junkyard car.

On the new car hate, there are definitely some brands worse than others but cars are more reliable than ever. And in many respects they are way easier to work on, especially intermittent drivability issues. Working on a pre OBD2 car sucks!
 
The biggest problem with vehicles today is with the electronics. They have an over abundance of electrical components and the quality of those components is not the best. When they fail there is little chance to repair yourself.
 
The biggest problem with vehicles today is with the electronics. They have an over abundance of electrical components and the quality of those components is not the best. When they fail there is little chance to repair yourself.
I guess it depends on what era you grew up in. To me looking at 70s or 80s cars with carbs, miles of vacuum hoses and points is just too much. How do you troubleshoot that mess?
 
My first two cars were carby, the second even had a vacuum operated "economy" gauge. Both were tired with barely 100k on them. My third was first EFI car, a Holden with a Nissan sourced RB30 in it. That thing still went hard with over 280k on it, but it was the rust that finally killed it.
 
I think the sophistication is going to be the deciding factor on reliability. But even mechanically, I think there has been a downward trend. Look at all the Toyota and GM engine and transmission recalls going on these days. Toyota has had great reliability overall in the past but those turbo V6's with shavings in the engine have lead to massive recalls. While GM hasn't always had great reliability, their V8's and the transmissions seemed to be bomb-proof, but they too are struggling.

The unfortunate part is the large amount of sophisticated electronics are in just about every vehicle at every price-point these days. Even my BRZ which was built in '22 with essentially nothing by ABS and traction control has been updated over the past few years with all sorts of automated nannies. Each function is something that will break and become an expensive headache. Right now my wife's MDX has one bad camera and it knocked out virtually all the nannies and cruise control. The car is completely safe to drive, but the list of warnings every time we start the car scrolls on for almost a minute.
 
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