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Mothers® Professional Rubbing Compound Review
First I would like to thank Forrest and Jim because without their generosity these reviews wouldn’t be possible and you guys would be missing out on or overlooking some very good products. Yeah I know you’ve read this before on my last review, but it’s true and I’m sure you’ll be reading it again
Mothers products are primarily know to be an over the counter type of product. You can buy it at almost any big box store or auto parts stores. While this may be true for their consumer line, they also have a Professional line for use in paint finishing by trained body shop professionals that can be found at paint supply stores or directly from Mothers online store.
https://store.mothers.com/index.php?cPath=23
Product information from Mothers website. Mothers® Polishes·Waxes·Cleaners
Mothers® Professional Rubbing Compound quickly removes 1,500 grade and finer sand scratches from all types of refinish and factory applied automotive paints. May also be used to remove light oxidation, car wash scratches and other defects from paints that do not require sanding.
#81132, 32 oz.
For those working in a body shop environment, our Professional line is formulated especially for the body shop as a system. By their nature, all of the compounds, the polish and the glazes are body shop safe.
This is what Mothers chemist Craig Burnett had to sat concerning the abrasive technology in the professional line.
The term "diminishing abrasives" is to me, a marketing term and perhaps good Internet fodder but not a truly practical subject for discussion. All abrasives diminish in use. Some compounds may diminish more slowly than another do to its composition, size and hardness. It is a formulator’s job to choose the appropriate compound to accomplish a specific task. If a compound is to large, or hard it will scratch rather than polish. It is too soft or small; it will be ineffective to its task. So to answer the question, we do use diminishing abrasives, as does the rest of the industry. This is really a non issue that appears to have developed internet legs. I would use "non diminishing abrasives" and "pixie dust" in the same sentence.
Craig Burnett
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Here is the constancy of the compound. This was a new white pad before starting on the truck even with claying it there was still a lot of dirt embedded in the paint. I didn’t think to take a picture before I starting buffing on the paint. Actually the contrast helps it show up better so all is not lost.
Now that we know a little bit about the product let’s see what it can do.
For this review I was able to use a very beat up 100,000 mile dark blue pickup truck that is used on a farm and for hunting. So it has seen its share of corn fields and bushes getting rubbed against the paint. It is also the same truck that was used for the interior products review that can seen here.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...interior-cleaning-products-picture-heavy.html
In the body shop setting a rotary is the primary tool of choice for paint correction from wet sanding or scratches. Knowing that the majority of people on forums are using DA’s compared to rotary’s I wanted to make this review more useful to a broader range of people so I used a Griots Garage DA and a Dewalt 849X with few different pad types.
In all counting the interior I probably had close to 16 hours on this truck. I’m glad he took it on vacation after the interior was cleaned and I got a couple of weeks break in between.
This is the condition of the truck as it was delivered to me.
First I would like to thank Forrest and Jim because without their generosity these reviews wouldn’t be possible and you guys would be missing out on or overlooking some very good products. Yeah I know you’ve read this before on my last review, but it’s true and I’m sure you’ll be reading it again
Mothers products are primarily know to be an over the counter type of product. You can buy it at almost any big box store or auto parts stores. While this may be true for their consumer line, they also have a Professional line for use in paint finishing by trained body shop professionals that can be found at paint supply stores or directly from Mothers online store.
https://store.mothers.com/index.php?cPath=23
Product information from Mothers website. Mothers® Polishes·Waxes·Cleaners
Mothers® Professional Rubbing Compound quickly removes 1,500 grade and finer sand scratches from all types of refinish and factory applied automotive paints. May also be used to remove light oxidation, car wash scratches and other defects from paints that do not require sanding.
#81132, 32 oz.
For those working in a body shop environment, our Professional line is formulated especially for the body shop as a system. By their nature, all of the compounds, the polish and the glazes are body shop safe.
This is what Mothers chemist Craig Burnett had to sat concerning the abrasive technology in the professional line.
The term "diminishing abrasives" is to me, a marketing term and perhaps good Internet fodder but not a truly practical subject for discussion. All abrasives diminish in use. Some compounds may diminish more slowly than another do to its composition, size and hardness. It is a formulator’s job to choose the appropriate compound to accomplish a specific task. If a compound is to large, or hard it will scratch rather than polish. It is too soft or small; it will be ineffective to its task. So to answer the question, we do use diminishing abrasives, as does the rest of the industry. This is really a non issue that appears to have developed internet legs. I would use "non diminishing abrasives" and "pixie dust" in the same sentence.
Craig Burnett
Chemist
Here is the constancy of the compound. This was a new white pad before starting on the truck even with claying it there was still a lot of dirt embedded in the paint. I didn’t think to take a picture before I starting buffing on the paint. Actually the contrast helps it show up better so all is not lost.
Now that we know a little bit about the product let’s see what it can do.
For this review I was able to use a very beat up 100,000 mile dark blue pickup truck that is used on a farm and for hunting. So it has seen its share of corn fields and bushes getting rubbed against the paint. It is also the same truck that was used for the interior products review that can seen here.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...interior-cleaning-products-picture-heavy.html
In the body shop setting a rotary is the primary tool of choice for paint correction from wet sanding or scratches. Knowing that the majority of people on forums are using DA’s compared to rotary’s I wanted to make this review more useful to a broader range of people so I used a Griots Garage DA and a Dewalt 849X with few different pad types.
In all counting the interior I probably had close to 16 hours on this truck. I’m glad he took it on vacation after the interior was cleaned and I got a couple of weeks break in between.
This is the condition of the truck as it was delivered to me.
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That’s some serious wax caked on there but I have a remedy. Using a detail brush I was able to remove all of it in less than 10 minutes and that’s including moving the ladder. More information will come at a later date on how it was done. Sorry
All cleaned up
My main concern at this point was to get the paint washed and clayed to start the correction process. The thorough wash would come later as I knew there was going to be multiple wash jobs before this was over.
For the first test section I started with the left rear door.
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Using a GG6, orange CCS pad, speed 3.5, 6 passes slow arm speed and medium pressure I was able to achieve these results.
For comparison I did the lower half of the door with the Dewalt 849X. As you can see the DA had just as much correcting ability as the rotary. Granted it wasn’t as fast in making the correction but it was able to make the correction. So this product will defiantly work with a DA and foam pads.
Next I moved to the front door to try out a MF pad. For this test I used the GG6 again with an OPT MF finishing pad. Again using speed 3.5 , 6 passes slow arm speed and medium pressure I was able to achieve these results.
Now it was time for the rotary on the left front fender. I used a white 7.5 LC pad at 1000 RPM’s and medium pressure to start and lighten up for the finishing passes.
As you can see it finishes off pretty darn nice for a compound. I was able to go straight to the Professional Foam Pad Polish skipping the Machine glaze. Look at the flake in the paint now! Nice
Messed up hood, water spots scratches ect.
Getting shiny again
Here is a dusting and fly off pic. Not too bad for a compound.
Well if you stayed with me this long here are a few finished shots of Mothers showing her love!!!
Total Mothers products used.
Final thoughts.
A very good product that can achieve excellent results using either a rotary or DA.
Working time with a rotary is short. It almost has a dry feel to the compound when your trying to work it and needs a spritz of water to finish it off nicely. I suspect it being body shop safe and lacking any oils or silicones has something to do with the dry feel of the product.
Working time with a DA is considerably longer almost to the point of stopping when you feel the need not the product stopping you.
Dusting is minimal for a compound so clean up isn't that bad.
Overall I was quite impressed with the product.
I hope you enjoyed the review and have a good idea what you can expect from Mothers Professional Line Compound using the pads and machines that I did.
For comparison I did the lower half of the door with the Dewalt 849X. As you can see the DA had just as much correcting ability as the rotary. Granted it wasn’t as fast in making the correction but it was able to make the correction. So this product will defiantly work with a DA and foam pads.
Next I moved to the front door to try out a MF pad. For this test I used the GG6 again with an OPT MF finishing pad. Again using speed 3.5 , 6 passes slow arm speed and medium pressure I was able to achieve these results.
Now it was time for the rotary on the left front fender. I used a white 7.5 LC pad at 1000 RPM’s and medium pressure to start and lighten up for the finishing passes.
As you can see it finishes off pretty darn nice for a compound. I was able to go straight to the Professional Foam Pad Polish skipping the Machine glaze. Look at the flake in the paint now! Nice
Messed up hood, water spots scratches ect.
Getting shiny again
Here is a dusting and fly off pic. Not too bad for a compound.
Well if you stayed with me this long here are a few finished shots of Mothers showing her love!!!
Total Mothers products used.
Final thoughts.
A very good product that can achieve excellent results using either a rotary or DA.
Working time with a rotary is short. It almost has a dry feel to the compound when your trying to work it and needs a spritz of water to finish it off nicely. I suspect it being body shop safe and lacking any oils or silicones has something to do with the dry feel of the product.
Working time with a DA is considerably longer almost to the point of stopping when you feel the need not the product stopping you.
Dusting is minimal for a compound so clean up isn't that bad.
Overall I was quite impressed with the product.
I hope you enjoyed the review and have a good idea what you can expect from Mothers Professional Line Compound using the pads and machines that I did.
MustangMikeFL
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Nice work, I still haven't tried the sample you sent me but I might have to make time soon. Great results on the truck!
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I'm not a fan of OPT compound so we'll skip that one and I haven't used Menz yet but have some on the way to compare. As far as the Meguairs I would say it's on par with 105 or 300 has more cut than UC.
One important feature to the Mothers Pro line is that they are all body shop safe which means they have no oils or silicones in them. What that means to the non body shop user is no worries about using IPA's or adhering issues with LSP's. As you can see from the pictures it finishes down very nice all of the pictures except for the very last ones are compound shots only.
One important feature to the Mothers Pro line is that they are all body shop safe which means they have no oils or silicones in them. What that means to the non body shop user is no worries about using IPA's or adhering issues with LSP's. As you can see from the pictures it finishes down very nice all of the pictures except for the very last ones are compound shots only.
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Thanks Mike. Use it with a DA and you can work it a long time if needed. As you can see from the 50/50 fender pic it works really good with MF pads.
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For sure Sonic. I've been saying all along don't let the OTC end of it fool you. For 2013 they have come out with a smaller bottle of the compound and polish.
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:iagree:
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Any review using their paint restoration kit?
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I will be putting one up soon along with the rest of the new products for 2013. The products contained in the paint restoration kit are the same as the ones used in this review just smaller bottles.
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I know this doesn't help you much now but the product is still in the testing stages. Hopefully it will be out soon.