My Bittersweet Experience with Tuf Shine

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Hello gentlemen, I am new to the forums here. I am from Toronto Canada and I own a dark blue 2005 Ford Crown Victoria LX Sport. I recently picked up a Tuf Shine kit, I have been wanting to get one for a while now. My experience however was mostly bad however.

First, I ended up using up the whole bottle of cleaner on the tires, the suds just weren't coming clean but since the tires have had a LOT of regular tire dressing applied I figured that was the problem. Once the tires were 'clean' and dry, I applied 3 coats of the clearcoat as I like my tires nice and glossy.
One problem I had with the cleaning part was after one scrub the brush didn't come clean, I will talk about that issue later.
Application went on fine, and they looked great, until the next day.
I let the car sit overnight and in the morning I went to work. As I got out of the car at work I took a look to see what the tires looked like, this is what I found:

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It looked as though old dressing was leaching out of the tires and they looked awful. After work I immediately emailed Bob at Tuf Shine. He replied back promptly and we set up a time to take via the phone. After explaining everything him and his business partner said that the tires just weren't 100% clean. I told him about how the brush didn't come clean and he said whatever I had on my tires had stained the brush.
To resolve my issue he sent me a new kit free of charge which I was very glad to have, so A++ on service!
In the meantime he suggested using a tire cleaner with Bleche Wite in it, Goo Gone, and laquer thinner on the tires. The only cleaner that I found with the Bleche Wite was a Simoniz rebrand at the local Canadian Tire. Goo Gone i tried and that seemed to work pretty well, but as for the laquer thinner I diffidently didn't want to do that.

Anyway the kit came in the mail but my car was in the repair shop getting some long overdue body work done so I tested out the kit on my mothers SUV. It worked beautifully and with two coats made her tires look awesome.
So I got the car back so first I cleaned the tires with the Simoniz stuff, then the Goo Gone, then their cleaner.
I ended up using all of the Tuf Shine cleaner, and almost all of the Simoniz cleaner. This is what the tires looked like before I applied the clearcoat, I sent them to Bob and he said their shouldn't be anymore problems. I also drove the car some more to see if anymore crap would bloom out of the tires, the black patches on the tires is the old clearcoat that didn't want to come off:

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So I put on 3 coats of the clearcoat and let it sit overnight. In the morning I come out and look at the tires, and to my complete disappointment the tires were brown again and flaking. Now for the most part the sidewalls were fine, but the groove and such were flaking bad:

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So after all that work and to have the tires still not turn out, you can imagine I was pretty pissed off about it. I emailed Bob and he was pretty dissapointed with the results as well. He suggested I try to use a brass bristle brush on the grooves to clean out the gunk and apply more clearcoat.

Well I drove the car for a few days and took another look at it, the look even worse the clearcoat is peeling and the look horrible.

So that is my experience with Tuf Shine. I call it bittersweet because it worked on my moms car but not on mine. I do thank Bob at Tuf Shine for the excellent customer service and for sending me a free kit, but I guess the stuff doesn't want to work with my tires.

Cheers
Phil
 

Ok, it looks like you did all the right stuff, and I am sorry to hear that you have had problem with Tuff Shine as well as it is one of my favorites for my truck as it reduces my maintenance time.



If I can ask: How long did you wait before putting on your second and third coats? I always wait a few hours or even days if possible to get each layer to cure properly.


 
Sorry about the experience you had the Tuff Stuff, that sucks. Can you post pics of your car, looks interesting with the wheels and BBK.

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I'm sorry to hear about your experience with Tufshine. I have used Tufshine on different tires and got acceptable results. I believe not only condition of tire, but brand (materials) can contribute to the success or failure.
 
I love Tuff Shine, but did have similar problems in the beginning. Bob helped me as well, A+++ customer service. Here are some tips I found:

1. Keeping the brush clean is very important. Young need to use multiple brushes. Use the tire cleaner to keep the brush clean. A bucket of water isn't good enough. You need free running water

2. When prepping a tire for TS the first time, only use their cleaning product after you have got the tire as clean as possible with cheaper APCs or degreasers. This will save the costlier TS cleaner.

3. If you TS brush bristles get all bent down (matted down) the brush won't work for squat. Get a new brush, or use any brush.

4. When cleaning a tire for the first time to prep for TS that has had a lot of dressing on it, I recommend breaking up the cleaning into two days. Clean it one day and let it sit overnight. The repeat the next day. More "junk" seems to come out of the tire overnight.

5. If your initial application comes out with a few bad spots only, don't strip the coating. Just wait a few days, wash the tire with APC and re-coat. Usually small blemishes can be covered up without stripping the whole coating.

6. Once your initial coating is good, just clean the tire with any soap. Don't use the TS tire cleaner.

7. When its time to re-apply TS, after your initial application, adding more than a single coat is a waste. I like glossy tires, so I add a coat a month. More than that I find is just a waste of the coating.

TS can be finicky, but in the right situation its worth it. My original application is still holding after a year. I do top it off every so often, but no more scrubbing and tires look dressed after rain or snow.
 
I had a tire that was very nasty:

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It has 12 years of dirt on it. It was under the truck on the spare tire carrier for 12 years.

This is the arsenal of cleaners it took to clean it up:

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Like I said prior, I used ALL those cleaners, than the TS cleaner to conserve it.

I've since bought a gallon:

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So, I scrubbed...

And I scrubbed...

Then I scrubbed some more...

I scrubbed that tire (off the car) for over 2 hours. I used all those cleaners. After that, I still wasn't 100% sure the tire was ready.

So, I has it transferred to the new wheel.

And I scrubbed it again.

I scrubbed so hard I marred the rubber:

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After the coating:

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So, that old tire did turn out pretty good. But, it was a lot of work.
 
That's really smart, propping tires up on a piece of wood to get the lower part. I'll need to start doing that from now on!
 
That's really smart, propping tires up on a piece of wood to get the lower part. I'll need to start doing that from now on!

It does help a lot. You just set it under the tires and drive up. You can get the wood free. Go to Home Depot or Lowes where they cut the wood. Find a scrap of wood that will work. Ask them to cut it in four 8" strips. They gave it to me free.
 
I know I am going to get a lot of flack over this but my boat trailer tires were in really bad shape, I tried every cleaner you can imagine. From simple green to a gallon of Tuf Shine. Nothing worked and I didn't want to buy new tires as they had a lot of thread left. So after hours of cleaning I gave up and used 92 Octane gas. They came out looking like new in about ten minutes.

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After

Little over spray on the protectant but you get the idea. Turned out pretty good.
 
Just a thought here but the process to get a tire "clean enough" seems like a lot of work to apply a tire dressing that lasts a long time, I don't know. I mean the act of cleaning your tire with a good cleaner, drying it and then applying a good tire dressing like Pinnacle Black Onyx, Wolfgang Black Diamond or DP tire gel has been good enough for me....and others for quite some time. I get a good build up of whatever tire gel laid down, wash the tires/wheels when I do rinseless wash and in most cases the tires are a nice matte black at that point so I'm pretty happy. If not, I spend what, 4 minutes re-applying a VERY minimum amount of tire gel to my applicator which has a been used previously, so its good some product left over on it.

I'm really not trying to knock the product here but it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to achieve something that only takes a couple minutes every other couple washes.

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I'm really not trying to knock the product here but it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to achieve something that only takes a couple minutes every other couple washes.

I think you're missing the point--other tire dressings diminish in appearance rather quickly, while the Tuf Shine is a "permanent" dressing largely unaffected by water, etc. I've put it on a set of winter wheels/tires this spring, we'll see how they hold up next winter.

So it's not really about saving time (well, some) but more about maintaining that "just dressed" appearance rather than going thru the fresh-to-faded cycle of a normal dressing between washings.
 
Maybe I am missing something here, does this product "really" look like it was just applied weeks after rain and washings? I don't mean a matte look but rather a step or two above matte?
 
Maybe I am missing something here, does this product "really" look like it was just applied weeks after rain and washings? I don't mean a matte look but rather a step or two above matte?

Absolutely. Its amazing. Initial application is a PIA. I rope it off once a month, because I like them super glossy, but its not required. I used it all winter through salt and snow. Tires always looked great.
 
Hmm, maybe I'll give it a shot when I get new tires down the road as I've got such a strong base of tire products on my tires right now that it surely wouldn't work right for me, good luck to you guys looking to try it for the first time and sorry OP for your experience.

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See I understand that the tires need to be 100% clean before I apply the clearcoat, but what I don't understand is that I used two bottles of the Tuf Shine cleaner and one bottle of Bleche Wite so I just don't understand how the tires would still be dirty. Do you guys think that if I bought another bottle of Tuf Shine cleaner and used it on my tires, would the tires be clean enough to apply the clearcoat then? Cause it seems to me that the clearcoat draws whatever crap is in the tires out.
If not then I am back to old school tires dressings again, talk about a big letdown as I paid more than 60 bucks to get it, shipping, border charges, etc.
 
If you have been using oil-based dressings, who knows how much has saturated the rubber. I'd listen to swanicyouth and let them rest a bit between cleanings.
 
Maybe I am missing something here, does this product "really" look like it was just applied weeks after rain and washings? I don't mean a matte look but rather a step or two above matte?

Sure does. It's a game changer. I've been testing it on fender wells and exterior trim with good results also.

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