my first experience with Collinite 476s and 915

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I'm new to the forums but not detailing. I just applied a coat of 476s over my dark blue Harley Davidson Ford F-250. I used 3M Imperial Hand Glaze prior to this application for surface prep. I then waited 24 hours and applied a coat of 915. I can honestly say that it was definitely work. One thing i noticed is that for some reason the wax did not want to spread easy. I had to really rub it into the paint. The truck looks pretty good. I applied it hoping for 6 months protection. I'm also going to top it with liquid Pinnacle Souveran for that wet look. Anyone else have problems with the Collinite pastes?
 
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Welcome to the forum!

I think it will be unavoidable when applying such hard Collinite Pastes to freshed cleaned-prepped paint, that the applicator is going to drag, and work you. That follow-up applications are of course easier, that the wax will then glide on easier.

Slightly dampening the applicator pad as you go helps the products spread easier for sure.

Sponge-Foam Pads seem to work a bit easier versus MF Applicators.

Temps, and relative humidity can also effect application-removal. Mark
 
From my readings here in the few months I've been here, it seems many of the forumites prefer to use one of the Collinite Waxes as a product that goes on top of another product, such as a synthetic Sealant.

Thus in those scenarios, any of the Collinite Waxes no doubt apply easier, and remove easier since the surface is already sealed.

Of course there's nothing at all wrong with initial application of any Collinite product. I've been doing such for years on many vehicles, most were my own, and they are products that will be worth the effort to use.

My Tahoe in my Avatar has been mostly protected during its life with Collinite. And it's probably one main reason the paint has held up so well for all these years.

Without a doubt, it is a product that is always worth coming back to, and use. Mark
 
:welcome: To Autogeek Online! :props:

Collinite 476 & 915 are what I call "old time paste waxes". Both waxes require much more effort to ally correctly and the best way I've found is with a dual action polisher.

The normal operation of a dual action polishers allows the product to be spread evenly across the finish and it can be applied nice and thin. As the pad begins to spread the product normal friction aids in softening the wax making it easy to spread. As it hazes buff off as usual to a brilliant shine.
 
:welcome: to AGO....I have never used Collinite...How does it compare to Souveran paste?
 
I have never used 476 but have lots of experience with 915. My best results are to use it after what ever I use to prep the paint (polish, cleaner etc). I have never second coated or topped it with anything to reach the desired results. That includes the 6 months of protection. Thin is best, DA application and removal is even better
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Agree with Bobby mostly, about these leaning towards being "old time paste waxes", but still, there might be some forumites who may remember products like the original Blue Coral Paste, and others like Simonize? There were of course many others back then, and probably everyone had a Paste Wax.

Other Pastes I used to use back in the early 70's was Trewax Boat Wax, and Slipstream. Both could be referred to as hard Pastes, and both were excellent. Not sure about Slipstream, but Trewax might still be made?

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Out of all, I'd say Blue Coral was about the hardest to work with, one would have to perhaps only work an 18" square section at a time, apply, then immediately remove, otherwise it would work you to death.

Any of the Collinite products by comparison I've found to be night and day in regards to "brutality" to the old Blue Coral as far as application, and removal. Mark
 
BobbyG said:
:welcome: To Autogeek Online! :props:

Collinite 476 & 915 are what I call "old time paste waxes". Both waxes require much more effort to ally correctly and the best way I've found is with a dual action polisher.

The normal operation of a dual action polishers allows the product to be spread evenly across the finish and it can be applied nice and thin. As the pad begins to spread the product normal friction aids in softening the wax making it easy to spread. As it hazes buff off as usual to a brilliant shine.
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agree totally.

I did a coat of 476 with a DA and it went on easy. I removed it with microfiber bonnets and it came off just as easily.

The best part is, you don't have to limit yourself to super thin coats with this method. You just might need more removal bonnets if you go too thick.
 
bikeride4fun said:
:welcome: to AGO....I have never used Collinite...How does it compare to Souveran paste?
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Pinnacle Souveran is a beautiful wax that adds both wetness and depth to dark colors and especially metallics. The only drawback I've ever found is it's durability isn't quite there and in 4 to 6 weeks it's gone...

In my opinion Pinnacle Souveran is a fine wax and is designed to really make the finish glisten and look it's best but not to protect it long term through a harsh New England winter..

Collinite products are simply amazing. Their durability is legendary and the glossy shine is outstanding. Collinite products are great performers and Collinite 845 is one of my favorite waxes...
 
BobbyG said:
Pinnacle Souveran is a beautiful wax that adds both wetness and depth to dark colors and especially metallics. The only drawback I've ever found is it's durability isn't quite there and in 4 to 6 weeks it's gone...

In my opinion Pinnacle Souveran is a fine wax and is designed to really make the finish glisten and look it's best but not to protect it long term through a harsh New England winter..

Collinite products are simply amazing. Their durability is legendary and the glossy shine is outstanding. Collinite products are great performers and Collinite 845 is one of my favorite waxes...
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Thanks for the feedback.....I guess the Pinnacle products is more of a "show car" line...
 
Speardog said:
I'm new to the forums but not detailing. I just applied a coat of 476s over my dark blue Harley Davidson Ford F-250. I used 3M Imperial Hand Glaze prior to this application for surface prep. I then waited 24 hours and applied a coat of 915. I can honestly say that it was definitely work. One thing i noticed is that for some reason the wax did not want to spread easy. I had to really rub it into the paint. The truck looks pretty good. I applied it hoping for 6 months protection. I'm also going to top it with liquid Pinnacle Souveran for that wet look. Anyone else have problems with the Collinite pastes?
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Welcome. Why do you suspect it the wax was hard to spread?
 
BobbyG said:
Collinite 476 & 915 are what I call "old time paste waxes". Both waxes require much more effort to ally correctly and the best way I've found is with a dual action polisher.
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BobbyG,

Could you advise how do you get Collinite 915 onto the DA pad?
You can't take the whole chunk that is in the jar outside like I've seen Mike Phillips do with Pinnacle Souveran, so how do you do it?

Thanks :)
 
I've got a question for those of you who have said using a DA with 915 makes it easier.

I am looking to apply 915 for the first time over Klasse Twins. I was planning on using the DA to spread and then removing by hand with a MF towel.

I know many of you have said a MF bonnet on the DA is the way to go for removal, but I only have one DA. I can swap out pads during each section, but what would be the best lc pad to put the bonnet over? Also, would you recommend a wool leveling pad underneath as well?
 
y8s said:
agree totally.

I did a coat of 476 with a DA and it went on easy. I removed it with microfiber bonnets and it came off just as easily.

The best part is, you don't have to limit yourself to super thin coats with this method. You just might need more removal bonnets if you go too thick.
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In the olden days, before the advent of these more modern small DA Machines, I would do similar with some heavy duty Liquid Carnaubas, and even with pastes for removal, I'd whip out the ole Waxcoa Orbital Waxer, and at least break up some of the wax, then finish by hand. It would cut down on some Lbs lost, especially in summertime.

Some of these old Liquid Waxes I speak of (Nu Look in Chicago) were quite high in nuba content, and could be difficult to remove.

I had one advantage for quite a few years at the old Railroad job of mine, having access to commercial Sewing Machines, I used to make my own custom Bonnets from thick Canon Cotton Bath Towels, and some Elastic from a Textile Supply Shop.

I like Bobby's tip, and imagine even any of the Pastes could be utilized with these sweet little modern DA Machines, that one could both apply to Pad, via a small Putty Knife, or small Butter Knife-etc, then use a Foam Pad with compatible Cotton/MF Bonnet for removal.
 
Mc'lovin said:
BobbyG,

Could you advise how do you get Collinite 915 onto the DA pad?
You can't take the whole chunk that is in the jar outside like I've seen Mike Phillips do with Pinnacle Souveran, so how do you do it?

Thanks :)
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Some waxes seem to pop out of the container while others don't. Some waxes can be placed in the freezer long enough to allow the wax to contract allowing it to slip right out in your hand with just a tap..

If you happen to get yours out in one chunk then simple switch of the polisher, speed 3, and place the wax against the foam pad. Because of its dual action motion it removes just the right about of wax spreading it evenly on the pad.

For me, I find a 1" putty knife or something similar works beautifully allowing me to lightly scrape the amount of wax I need to apply to the pad. I also have a 1" paint brush I cut the bristles to about 1" long. If the wax is soft enough I can remove enough from the surface and apply it to the pad..

For pads I use either a blue or red foam pad and a speed setting of 3 on my Porter Cable 7424 polishers and medium arm speed to spread it until I'm satisfied..

There's no rocket science here honestly. What ever method you find that woks best for you is the one to use. This is how I do it until something doesn't work and then I'll find another...:props:


amnbcn said:
I've got a question for those of you who have said using a DA with 915 makes it easier.

I am looking to apply 915 for the first time over Klasse Twins. I was planning on using the DA to spread and then removing by hand with a MF towel.

I know many of you have said a MF bonnet on the DA is the way to go for removal, but I only have one DA. I can swap out pads during each section, but what would be the best lc pad to put the bonnet over? Also, would you recommend a wool leveling pad underneath as well?
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I personally don't use buffing bonnets. I prefer to apply the wax, allow it enough time to haze then buff with Microfiber towels. My fear with these bonnets is I could impart marring to the finish trying to remove the wax....
 
BobbyG said:
Some waxes seem to pop out of the container while others don't. Some waxes can be placed in the freezer long enough to allow the wax to contract allowing it to slip right out in your hand with just a tap..

If you happen to get yours out in one chunk then simple switch of the polisher, speed 3, and place the wax against the foam pad. Because of its dual action motion it removes just the right about of wax spreading it evenly on the pad.

For me, I find a 1" putty knife or something similar works beautifully allowing me to lightly scrape the amount of wax I need to apply to the pad. I also have a 1" paint brush I cut the bristles to about 1" long. If the wax is soft enough I can remove enough from the surface and apply it to the pad..

For pads I use either a blue or red foam pad and a speed setting of 3 on my Porter Cable 7424 polishers and medium arm speed to spread it until I'm satisfied..

There's no rocket science here honestly. What ever method you find that woks best for you is the one to use. This is how I do it until something doesn't work and then I'll find another...:props:
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Thanks for the great detailed input.
Always a pleasure taking your advice :)
 
bikeride4fun said:
Thanks for the feedback.....I guess the Pinnacle products is more of a "show car" line...
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Yes, as a general rule of thumb, I believe Pinnacle to be for garaged vehicles. Allegedly, the new liquid Souveran has been reformulated to be a lot more durable than the paste or the former liquid. I figured topping the Collinite with Souveran liquid would complement my dark colored truck. Might even get crazy and put P21S 100% or CG 5050 as an LSP on top of that as well. I have a 98 Silver/Blue striped Viper garage queen that I use Souveran paste on. I can tell you that as far as a paste goes, there is no easier wax to apply and remove as Souveran. As a side note, I will be trying Raceglaze 55 and Zymol Ital on my Viper to compare to Souveran in the next couple of months and post my comparison
 
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