Need help on pad/paste wax application. Also PC 7336sp vs 7424

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Hi everyone. new to this forum. Just discovered AG a couple weeks ago after scoring a great deal on a PC 7336SP for $50. Needed pads etc and found my way to AG. Very glad I did. Seems to be a great community!
The PC 7336SP has identical specs to the 7424 except it's packaged as a DA sander/polisher. And it works beautifully!!

Anyone else have any experience with the model 7336SP I found? And incidentally it was at Lowes in a close-out bin.

I got a set of LC CCF pads and used them last weeked. With 3M Perfect it foam polish I got beautiful results in just a couple hours. 90% of the swirl marks are gone but some old water marks held on. I think I need to go a bit more aggresive. Going to order Perfect-it II machine polish. I used the light cut green pad. Probably should go to the orange and work the polish longer too. Does that sound appropriate?

I didn't use a sealer as I had a fresh tin of Meguirs NXT paste, which I like.
She looks really nice, but I think I can get a much deeper richer shine and am thinking of taking advantage of the Sourevan sale.
This is on my 2000 Bright Red BMW 328ci sports coupe.

My Problem ---
Everything went great till I applied the NXT Paste. It went on fine and looks great, but the gray LC CCS pad seemed to absorb Huge amounts of the paste! I used over a third of the tin on one coat. And the pad weighed about three times the new weight afterwards (it's been drying for 3 days and is still moist) . Like I always did with with the double-handed orbital buffer I used to use I applied the NXT paste to the pad by "buttering" it with a butter knife. May sound weird, but it's always worked fine before.
Now, before I drop the cash for Sourean, I need to find out how it should be done! I figure I should get 6 to 8 coats out of a tin. Am I off base?

All advice welcome.

Thanks All,:)
 
You might be better off applying the paste wax by hand.
 
Jmunk said:
You might be better off applying the paste wax by hand.




:iagree: I like to feel the application by hand........but i did at one time use the grey pad and did remove souveran from the container and spread on the pad then applied.....went back to the hand application....just a personal choice i guess...;)
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You should get at least 20-30 coats per tin. I used to do almost the same thing your doing, more is better, right? Then I came to this forum.
Welcome to the asylum by the way.
The key to paste is how thin can you make the coat, not how much can you put on.
Usually i do put it on by hand but occasionally I do machine it.
I use either grey or blue 4" LC pad working sections (1/4 hood)
Spray the pad with QD or Pinn pad conditioner (2-3 spritzes) Add a spritz every couple of panels to keep pad damp.
Lay PC down pad up
Take Souveran tin so the wax wants to come out (like a solid deoderant in its holder) and just wipe it across the pad once. DO NOT LET THE WAX FALL OUT AND HIT GROUND! ITS DONE IF YOU DO. Thats enough wax for the section.
Spread the wax over the section a little before turning machine on.
Machine on speed 3-4 moving semi-quickly with little pressure. You are just covering the area and spreading the wax. You should just barely be able to see its there. Slight haze, thats all.
I usually use the machine for the first coat only after a polish. I think it gives you more opportunities to make sure the wax is attached to the paint. The machine goes over the same spot more times than my arm can.
Remember, light coats.

PS sorry about the double take. Mods, please delete the second message
 
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You should get at least 20-30 coats per tin. I used to do almost the same thing your doing, more is better, right? Then I came to this forum.
Welcome to the asylum by the way.
The key to paste is how thin can you make the coat, not how much can you put on.
Usually i do put it on by hand but occasionally I do machine it.
I use either grey or blue 4" LC pad working sections (1/4 hood)
Spray the pad with QD or Pinn pad conditioner (2-3 spritzes)
Lay PC down pad up
Take Souveran tin so the wax wants to come out (like a solid deoderant in its holder) and just wipe it across the pad once. DO NOT
 
The 7424 and 7336 are identical in purpose, just sold to different clients. One as a sander, the other as a polisher. Nice find on the clearance buffer.

I too highly suggest application of wax via hand. You should use around 1 ounce max in a liquid and about 1/2 in paste. Foam is my aplicator of choice. Removal is your choice, just remember straight lines to avoid swirls by hand or using microfiber bonnets over buffer with slower speeds to remove with the PC.
 
I would like to see Edge, Lake Country, or any of the pad manufacturers make a soft wax/sealant application pad for the PC. One that would be about half the thickness of a full size pad and say 4" to use with the smaller backing plate. This would greatly ease the use of a PC to apply waxes and sealants and definitely would limit the amount of product absorbed into the pad. I would definitely purchase some if available because I like using the pc to apply and buff off afterwards. Just a thought:) I see they came out with a smaller 5.5" white polishing pad for the backing plate like the 5.5" orange cutting pad. The finessing pad would even be great at that size and thickness.

Aaron.....ya listenin'?:D hint, hint...

if sales are good enough, I'd like a cut:-) Just kidding......how about a "sampler pad" to test;-) lol
 
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dengood1 said:
I would like to see Edge, Lake Country, or any of the pad manufacturers make a soft wax/sealant application pad for the PC. One that would be about half the thickness of a full size pad and say 4" to use with the smaller backing plate. This would greatly ease the use of a PC to apply waxes and sealants and definitely would limit the amount of product absorbed into the pad. I would definitely purchase some if available because I like using the pc to apply and buff off afterwards. Just a thought:) I see they came out with a smaller 5.5" white polishing pad for the backing plate like the 5.5" orange cutting pad. The finessing pad would even be great at that size and thickness.

Aaron.....ya listenin'?:D hint, hint...
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GREAT IDEA:cheers: .....I second that:righton:
 
BILL said:
GREAT IDEA:cheers: .....I second that:righton:
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Bill, I made a new thread dedicated to this idea feeling it was worthy of a discussion......go post your feelings:D
 
Try the 4" LC blue pads with the conditioner and limit how much product you put on the pad. If you never put a lot on it cannot absorb it and the conditioner or QD is already there.
From an absorbsion point of view a foam hand pad is little different from a machine pad. You might be putting to much pressure on the pad, making it act like a sponge. At the wax/sealant stage you should not need anything more than the weight of the PC.
I have put 10-15 coats (10 hand, 5 machine) of Souveran on my BMW and have more than half the tin left
 
Many Thanks

Never expected so many responses with good advice overnight!! Great Forum!
JSR and Killer - Excellent advice, huge thanks!

Never occurred to me to use 4" pads. I have the big (7.5) pads and love the wide, soft edge for ploishing. But I see how the 4" will be great for getting to small areas (like where the bumper meets the body). And for paste application, pre-wetting and a single wipe from the tin makes complete sense. Build up the finish, don't smother it.

Going to be making a large order and take full advantage of the newbie discount!

Again, thanks to everyone on this forum. Glad to have joined. A great resource and community.

Tam
 
4" LC blue pads with the conditioner

A.G.?????? has it??????????
 
Spritz some conditioner (or QD) on the pad before you wipe the wax on it

Lake Country Blue 4” Finessing Pad (2 Pack) - LC-99-944
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The XMT Pad Care Combo includes:
12 oz. Pinnacle XMT Polishing Pad Conditioner
 
Ok, I used to be one who would only apply product by hand as I didn't like applying by machine as the 6" pads just seemed to absorb too much product. HOWEVER, and I mentioned this before, early last year Aaron at Edge made me a few custom 4" pads after I ordered the Edge kit and wondered if he had any. One of them is a 4" blue that for whatever reason is ultra ultra soft, I mean much softer then their 6" white finishing pad which was the softest PC pad I've felt beforehand. I've now used the 4" blue Edge pad for applying sealant and wax, and it makes the job so much quicker and easier especially when you have 3 suv's and other cars like us. I let Natty's Blue come a little out of the container and lightly spread around the pad, that was good enough to do almost haf the truck.

I can now wax/sealant our trucks in a fraction of the time and have a perfect even thin coat each time. Plus I feel I actually used less product, the 4" pad and PC just seemed to spread it more.

After compounding/polishing for hours and hours on a truck/suv, I don't want to apply anything else by hand lol. Either way always mist your pad/applicator with some qd'er before hand. What I did was also chill some qd'er in a mister bottle and spray one or two mist per panel, that seemed to bring slightly more gloss that was sealed in by the wax and also maybe helped to spread it farther by keeping the pad primed.
 
OK Surfer, you got me! Now I have to know.

What induced you to chill a spray bottle of QD????:D :D :D

Sympathy pains for our Northern friends? New style margaritas? or are you just so far gone now that you are drinking straight shots of QD to get your OCD fix in?

Who has the phone number for OCD Anonymous in Florida?
 
Surfer, JSR et al,
Does it make any difference to use a different brand or QD than paste or sealer? I have a 3/4 of Mag NXT QD that I could use for pad lube.
Also, any thoughts on the 3M foam or machine plishes? (perfect it II and finesse it II) I've used the 3M foam polish and it seemed to be really good. A lot of oils and after a few minutes (I probably should have gone longer) there was almost no residue. But I haven't seen any references to the 3M products. Seems that the Pinnacle line always tops the lists. 3M is about the most expensive, is it the name or could it be worth it?
 
All paste waxes I recommend applying by hand only. You could though remove wax with a PC and MF bonnet.
 
supercharged said:
All paste waxes I recommend applying by hand only. You could though remove wax with a PC and MF bonnet.
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I AGREE.although i have applyied by machine in the past, im really prone to hand waxing but as supercharged noted:... you could as I do occasionally use either my rotary, or pc with a wool finishing bonnet ......

Foamed Wool 6.5 inch Polishing/Buffing Pads
 
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tamvegas said:
Surfer, JSR et al,
Does it make any difference to use a different brand or QD than paste or sealer? I have a 3/4 of Mag NXT QD that I could use for pad lube.
Also, any thoughts on the 3M foam or machine plishes? (perfect it II and finesse it II) I've used the 3M foam polish and it seemed to be really good. A lot of oils and after a few minutes (I probably should have gone longer) there was almost no residue. But I haven't seen any references to the 3M products. Seems that the Pinnacle line always tops the lists. 3M is about the most expensive, is it the name or could it be worth it?
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No, it should not make any difference which QD you use. Just remember that you are not trying to soak it. If you start applying wax, no pressure, and it comes out wet you have to much QD. You want the wax not diluted, the QD is just an absorbtion barrier behind it in the pad and it prevents dry buffing.
For the 3M stuff you need to get Master Toto to answer. He uses some of their stuff at the shop he details in. Mostly rotary used, I believe.
 
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