I am new to the detaling environment and I need a lot of help. I have a black car with swirl marks (light) and I want to correct the paint the best I can. The products that I have are mothers pre wax cleaner, an AIO polish wax, poorboy's black hole show glaze and p21s wax. I also have two white pads. Would I be able to do some change with this or no change at all (in regards the swirl marks)? If it is really not going to do much could someone tell me what do I need to get it looking good. Remember I am a beginner and have no experince, just some basics. I would really appreciate your help.
Need Help Removing Swirls Out of Black Paint!
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Mike Phillips
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This doesn't tell us much? Do you mean you have two white foam buffing pads for an electrical polisher?
If so... which polisher do you have?
Regardless, you really need a dedicated Swirl Mark Remover, i.e. an abrasive polish or compound.
Let us know which polisher you have or if your two white pads are some kind of hand applicator pads and we can better help you.
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This doesn't tell us much? Do you mean you have two white foam buffing pads for an electrical polisher?
If so... which polisher do you have?
Regardless, you really need a dedicated Swirl Mark Remover, i.e. an abrasive polish or compound.
Let us know which polisher you have or if your two white pads are some kind of hand applicator pads and we can better help you.
I'll add a few more words to your subject to...
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Most of the time when someone says "Orbital Polisher" they mean something that looks like the polisher in the picture below... Take a moment to click on the link and read through the article.
Traditional Orbital Buffer aka The Wax Spreader
Questions are great! We have answers and will love to see you through to success!
The problem is if your polisher/buffer looks like the one in the above pictures you will be more effective rubbing your car's paint out by hand if you want to remove swirls out of a clear coat finish. This has to do with the fact that modern clear coat paints are pretty hard an these old style polishers just don't work well for removing swirls out of clear coat paints.
Here's a few articles that will bring you up to speed on what you want to do and reality.
The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints
Man versus Machine
1-Step versus 3-Step Process by Hand
The fastest and easiest way to remove swirls and create a show car finish is by machine but you want to use the right machine for clear coats, check out the DA Style Polishers, the Flex 3401 or the Cyclo in this thread,
How to choose the right polisher for your detailing project
Here's some videos that show some topics you might be interested int,
How to Remove Swirls and Scratches using the Porter Cable 7424XP
How to do a Section Pass using a Dual Action Polisher - Key to Removing Swirls
How detailing clay works and how to use detailing clay to remove above surface bonded contaminants
We'll have videos on the Flex 3401 and Rotary Buffers coming up...
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Read all the way these three threads,
The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints
Man versus Machine
1-Step versus 3-Step Process by Hand
I'm pretty sure I cover exactly how to rub-out paint to remove swirls and scratches in one of them because TECHNIQUE is all important to avoid
Fingermarks
To do the job by hand you'll want to get these, actually you can use any clay but you wanted to get Ultimate Compound and SwirlX.
Mike Phillips said:Man versus Machine
For the hand portion of this comparison we'll be using, Smooth Surface Clay Kit, Ultimate Compound, SwirlX, NXT Tech Wax and Supreme Shine Microfiber Polishing Cloths .
remember, you can only work a small section at a time, about 16" squarish or so, you cannot try to remove the swirls out of a clear coat finish by tackling half a hood at one time.. it's not going to work. Read the article I give you the link to about the practical difference between single stage paints and basecoat/clearcoat paints.
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You can and should definitely give them a try by doing a Test Spot, that is apply and work the product to a small area and then inspect. If you like the results you're getting then duplicate the test spot over the rest of the car, if you don't like the results you're getting you'll be glad you only worked on a small area and you'll want to get some different products.
Clear coat paints are "scratch-sensitive", that is even though they are hard they are easily scratched, so you want to be careful when testing out products especially by hand.
Maybe go ahead and try your TOB with the Mother's Pre-Wax Cleaner, the Black Hole and the AIO I'm confident that these products will all improve the appearance, but as for 100% removal of swirls out of a clear coat finish you normally need something with a littler more power.
Remember, removing swirls means removing a little paint till you "level" the surface flat.
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Sure you can... you don't need to but if you want to use up some products for the sake of using them up I say go for it!
You only need to,
Wash
Clay
Clean
Polish
Seal
KISS = Keep it Simple Simon
Wash
Clay
Ultimate Compound
SwirlX
Seal
I think the Man vs Machine lays this out pretty well?
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Yes.
"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"
If you find the Swirls isn't aggressive enough you can always get more aggressive.
Remember and read what I wrote about dong a TEST SPOT
Find out what you can do with ANY product by hand or ANY machine to a small area before going over the entire car. You can find out what you can do and if you like the results form the small test spot you'll probably like the results over the entire car.
The Test Spot helps you to find out what you can do with what you have before wasting your time.
How's that?
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Let us know how it works out for you. Others may want to repeat your process and your experience.