New Makita PO5000CX2

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This seems to be a real new product, I watched the Video with Mike Phillips doing some work with the tool ! Seems to be a real nice machine .
Has anyone on here acquired and used it yet ?
My orbital polisher is getting tired and I want to get a new one to replace it !
My problem is once again toooooooo many choices !
If you lived in Russia there would be two choices , the rich mans buffer and the poor mans buffer, not the case in this country we have twenty choices for the same basic product !
When I am looking to acquire a tool I want the best tool that can be acquired and of course I will shop it to death before I buy it.
I am retired but so some detailing on boats, cars and trucks, and like to keep my own stuff real shiny !
Any and all input will be appreciated !
Brain
 
Brian I have had one for a little over a month now. I haven't used it extensively enough to write a full review, but I can tell you in direct drive mode it is a correcting machine. Zero pad stall as you would expect, and this allows you to work more efficiently. I've been using mine with LC ThinPro's and love the combination. I do sometime soon hope to try it out with my LC HDO pads and see how the machine feels with them. I know the HDO's were designed for low throw machines. In random orbit mode, you have to use it on speeds 4 & 5 to do correction. Anything less is only good for sealant and wax applications. Seems to be solidly built - reliability will be determined over time.

ScottH
 
ScottH said:
Brian I have had one for a little over a month now. I haven't used it extensively enough to write a full review, but I can tell you in direct drive mode it is a correcting machine. Zero pad stall as you would expect, and this allows you to work more efficiently. I've been using mine with LC ThinPro's and love the combination. I do sometime soon hope to try it out with my LC HDO pads and see how the machine feels with them. I know the HDO's were designed for low throw machines. In random orbit mode, you have to use it on speeds 4 & 5 to do correction. Anything less is only good for sealant and wax applications. Seems to be solidly built - reliability will be determined over time.

ScottH
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Does it want to walk on you in direct drive mode?
 
It does more so than a long throw machine such as the G15/G21, Rupes etc. - with direct drive you have to be more mindful of folds in the body panels - it will grab them and pull/walk away (so to speak). It's really nothing to be overly worried about - just be mindful of it and you'll be fine.

ScottH
 
LC says that their Hybrid Force (and older Hybrid) pads are designed for forced rotation machines (Flex XC3401, Makita POt000C, and soon, Rupes Mille). The HDO pads are for long throw free rotating DAs (Rupes 15/21 Bigdoits, GG BOSS 15/21).
 
john b said:
does it turn clockwise?
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You'd think, if Makita's designer had used any other tools, a rotary, a drill, a grinder, a what the **** ever... they'd have made the tool spin the same direction as all those tools - clockwise. Or, if they'd even asked someone, anyone who had run those tools ever, even once in their lives which direction should this new tool spin, hey'd have made it spin the same - clockwise. But somehow, Makita managed to spend all that time and money designing a tool that spins counter clockwise in the forced rotation mode. Apparently, it just never came up. SMH, seriously.

And, "Does it matter?" Yes. Because if someone has in fact used and gotten comfortable with all those other tools, having it spin the same direction would have made it immediately useful because there would have been little to no learning curve. On the other hand, if you run a rotary and pick up this machine you'll have to learn to weight the pad against the paint on pretty much the opposite side as you would with the rotary so there will be a learning curve. Also, if you learn to use this machine before you use a rotary it will make the rotary counter intuitive and harder to learn. Again, seriously?

That said, the PO5000 with the new lake country pads and good polish is really good. It's fast and effective. You can get to just about every surface on a car without having to change machines and you can get right up to the edge and near moldings etc. without having to tape. (Your mileage may vary.) I find myself reaching for my rotary about a third the time I used to and getting done in less time with a better result, so the money I spent on two of them was well spent.

Mostly, this works for me because I've been using the Makita BO6040 since 2002 or so, so I already know how to run a machine that runs counter clockwise because it spins counter clockwise. But if I'd never run a rotary and the BO6040 I think I might hold off till some of the new forced rotation machines come out that did manage to get the spin consistent with the other tools just to make it easier to move from one to the other.

RSW
 
Rsurfer said:
Does it matter?
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absolutely ...not lol..

but with that said, ive used mine allot,
its simply what the 3401 should of been..
corrects faster(not worth upgrade if you're happy with 3401 in that aspect)
soo much smoother(smoother then my G21)
longer body than my 3401 and my G21
Rubber on grips/hand rest
machine is well balanced/weight distributed compared to both my 3401 and G21
the mid body and rubber tool rest(not hand rest or grip) get warm after 4+ hours of correction at speed 5..but not hot to touch where you cant keep your hand there..

ive havent compared the correction speed to my G21 yet, and being so close to spec of the Mille, cant see if Rupes claim of their Mille out corrects their 21mm mark 2 holds true to this? ..maybe another test to come.

free spin mode, its initially crap to me to where id only use it as a sealant spreader or perhaps a clay disc...but i'll actually start giving the free spin mode a fair chance to maybe do some technique adjustments to keep it rotating for correction.
 
Hey guys thank you for the input, it does not go unappreciated !
I do have a couple of Rotary buffers, that I use when I do a job that is real oxidized with a fine lambs wool pad, but we all know that it leaves swirl marks.
I like the Orbital Machine, nice and light, but it has limitations.
It is hard to get into trouble with the random orbital , I use a white foam compounding pad and it really does a nice job.
My random orbital polisher is getting tired and I am looking at the Makita PO5000CX2 but is so new, that I wanted to hear how others like or dislike it !
Auto Geek's price for the machine 369.99 is far less than Amazon at 419.00 so I am just waiting for a convincing thread regarding how the machine compares to others before I buy it !
 
Big boys toys said:
Hey guys thank you for the input, it does not go unappreciated !
I do have a couple of Rotary buffers, that I use when I do a job that is real oxidized with a fine lambs wool pad, but we all know that it leaves swirl marks.
I like the Orbital Machine, nice and light, but it has limitations.
It is hard to get into trouble with the random orbital , I use a white foam compounding pad and it really does a nice job.
My random orbital polisher is getting tired and I am looking at the Makita PO5000CX2 but is so new, that I wanted to hear how others like or dislike it !
Auto Geek's price for the machine 369.99 is far less than Amazon at 419.00 so I am just waiting for a convincing thread regarding how the machine compares to others before I buy it !
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what more do you want? I have pics and videos..and can make more, its a well built machine think its going to be my primary polisher now

I'm a huge Longthrow guy (love my G21) and hated my flex 3401, due to the vibration and the walking issues.
The po5000c is same type of machine as the 3401, but its sooo smooth , with the longer body and shorter MM throw, It mitigates the walking issues..I alctualy enjoy using it..and it doesn't beat me up like the 3401..for hard paint like lacquer or gel coat, you'll need to use wool..anything else it it destroys swirls
 
Just a stupid question when you talk clockwise verses counter clockwise are you looking down at the pad from the operators position or are you looking directly at the shaft ???
Thank you in advance for the reply !
Brian
 
Rsurfer said:
Does it matter?
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I guess it matters to someone because I bought mine from Autopia thru their eBay account. It was an open box return. It had been returned because the customer did not want counterclockwise rotation.

i got it for $227.50. I have not tried it out yet.
 
Big boys toys said:
Just a stupid question when you talk clockwise verses counter clockwise are you looking down at the pad from the operators position or are you looking directly at the shaft ???
Thank you in advance for the reply !
Brian
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From the top looking down while the machine runs against the paint.

RSW
 
Rotation direction will affect the direction a forced rotation polisher "walks". Toward you or away from you, left or right, depending on how and what hand you primarily hold it with. It matters a lot to some people.
 
Harpolith said:
Rotation direction will affect the direction a forced rotation polisher "walks". Toward you or away from you, left or right, depending on how and what hand you primarily hold it with. It matters a lot to some people.
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..and you're naturally going to resist no matter what way it walks... but the Po5000c being a longer body and having a shorter stroke it rarely happens..and if it doesn't easily manageable..not fighting like you would with 3401

this issue should be an issue..I think it's really just a mentality people have cause other people said it matters

when the Rupes Mille comes out the walk with the "proper" rotation won't be of any effect more or less then with the makita's counter clockwise walk

using a drill compounding headlights bother effect me weather I set it to clockwise or counter
 
It is of importance to folks who have started out using a rotary polisher. For those, like me, who never learned how to use a rotary polisher, it doesn't really matter.

As for the "walk" issue, if the pad is flat on the paint, even the Flex 3401 doesn't walk, at least with 5.5" pads. I can make it walk, if I decide to do so, and in any direction, depending on which side of the pad I put pressure on. It can walk left, right, or towards or away from me. It will walk "backwards" if you put the pressure on the pad in the right place (it is a round pad, after all), so the direction of rotation thing is more of a mental block than it is something that is fundamentally flawed or renders any polisher that rotates counterclockwise unusable.
 
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